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Lloyd3,
How much do you have in it? I may be a buyer!
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I have a workable explanation for the FTF on this gun the other day now. It's something I remember hearing about as a kid in backwoods Pennsylvania the 1960s, but that I don't remember hearing folks talk about much since. A "short-shuck" will cock the hammer but fail to eject the spent cartridge. And, evidently, it's fairly easy to do if you're not familiar with a particular type of pump mechanism. I'm going to function test the gun again to confirm the theory, but I expect this mystery has been solved. I am so grateful for the depth of knowledge that is represented and unselfishly-shared by the members here.
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Lloyd3,
That is very likely. I just attempted that with my 37. It took about 1" of bolt travel to reset the trigger. It takes nearly 4" total travel to completely cycle the 37. The 17 should be similar.
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[url=[URL=http://s135.photobucket.com/user/lamiii/media/rem870amp17.jpg.html]  [/url]][/url] 1929 and 1989 Remington technology. I'll bet there aren't many other photographs of 870s on this forum! What is really noticeable is the weight difference when you pick them up together. Something like 2-lbs and change.
Last edited by Lloyd3; 04/23/13 06:38 PM.
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[url=[URL=http://s135.photobucket.com/user/lamiii/media/17bbutt.jpg.html]  [/url]][/url] Since I can't figure out how to post pictures to PMs, this is in response to a request for some additional photography. Nice spring day here in Colorado.
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[url=[URL=http://s135.photobucket.com/user/lamiii/media/17btopview.jpg.html]  [/url]][/url] Another requested photo for my "subject matter expert". What is the finish on this receiver? Is it just a patina that has built up over time or is it the remnant of the factory finish?
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Just wondering on the Model 17 issue,,when the problem happened, did the shooter attempt to open the action using the slide latch?
That should have released the action to be opened w/the hammer cocked ,,regardless of wether there was a case in the chamber or not.
I've had the short stroke issue occur on a Win97 a few times of late. Just me doing it, nothing mechanically wrong with the gun.
It will leave the fired case in the chamber & on the 97 recock the hammer to 1/2 cock. That puts me out of commission and I have to open the action using the slide latch button.
I'm sure other hammerless actions can do the same,,others not. They're all a bit different. I use a number of pump guns and all will act a bit different if short stroked. Some will eject the empty and then just dump the next live round right out the port onto the ground.
I've had a Rem17 in the past and can't recall having the issue,,but I was younger and stronger then!
Never had a 29,,quite a number of Model 10's though. I found them nice shotguns dispite the bad press they get. At least the bad rap made for good buyers prices. Gotta know what you're looking for in them though.
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Two M-17's from 1939  
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I'm glad I'm not the only one here with the audacity to post pictures of pumpguns on a fine-gun webpage!
GLS- Your guns look lovely! Both look to be Special Grade guns (17B). If that is the original finish then mine definitely has acquired something of a "patina" over time. Also, are you sure of that date? I thought 17s were discontinued in 1933?
Kutter: I assume that my father-in-law attempted to release the slide during his FTF, and it didn't seem to solve the problem for him. He got it to open only after pulling the trigger a second time. Is that an issue? Also, the Model 10s you mentioned intrigue me. They seem to have very nice lines (from what I can see on the web about them). Their poor reputation does seem a bit harsh, considering what some folks are asking for good copies now. Did they ever make them in sub-gauges? Last question: where does the Model 29 fit in all of this? We're talking about pumpguns here that I didn't even know existed until a few short months ago.
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Lloyd, yes, they are both 1939 according to the Remington date codes. Some were assembled after that date from leftover parts and sold with later date codes than mine. The top gun is in original condition. The bottom one was refinished and was bought at a very low price as a potential "parts" gun for the better one. It is still a very good "shooter" as is with the Lyman adjustable choke giving it some ugly, but practical versatility.
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