doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns.

Incidentally, re the firearms displaying gold crowns on their exterior, (as opposed to crown proof/maker stamped marks inside the action), 7 pearls represents a baron, 9 pearls a count.

Re the "8.7" marked rifle, Baron von Engelhardt wrote:
�8,7m/m� on lower barrel: �The very commonly used 9,3x72 (now called 9,3x72R) frequently was marked as 8,7 and similar�.

As you know, there is a D and an E version of this 9,3x72R case, (if it actually proves to be that case). I have the D version of it and the CD4H FL dies and modified (rim thickness reduced), cases for it.

Kiwi,
The Baron was correct,but the 8.7 (8.8,8.9,etc) is the bore dia(not groove or bullet dia.),which would fit several different cartridges in addition to 9.3x72R.On the other hand, the 9.3x72R is the most common,therefore the most likely.
Mike

Interesting Sauer hammergun 438xx(Modell Nr. 2??) given as a 12 bore






Long toplever


Large & Small Crowns on flats & water table
Prussia-maybe an export
Oddly stamped LE or L inverted E initials


Fine Damascus Barrels - maybe exported to an English speaking destination?

Interesting that it doesn't wear any proofs and it supports Jeff Stephen's list that it was made 1891-1892.

A sidenote is that J.P. Sauer & Sohn filed for the Herkules/Wildmann with a staff trademark in 1896 in Belgium, much like Remington who filed for a trademark in Oktober 1896. I'm sure Remington obtained protection for something that was being manufactured or previously manufactured so I wonder what Sauer was sourcing?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

In fact Sauer & Sohn filed for 3 variations on the stamp of Herkules wearing a lion-skin skull cap wielding a shield & club.

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Raimey
rse

Sauer Hammergun with large and small crowns and DAMR


Sauer Hammergun with 182 S Bern 115 on each tube

I do not see any connection to the Bern facility. So, anyone think that Sauer had a pattern welded tube source to make a Sauer's Bernard variant, Dr. Hause?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Jani has an interesting find on a drilling variant by Hans Brings from the early 1890s and in looking for a patent or DRGM for Brings(had a bicycle patent in Britain) I stumbled onto Gebrauchsmuster/D.R.G.M. Nr. 17912 & 17913 where Sauer sought protection.

Gebrauchsmuster 17912 - filed 9.25.1893 and issued 8.12.1896 under the term Selbstspannerschlo� u.f.w.




Gebrauchsmuster 17913 - filed 9.25.1893 and issued 8.12.1896 under the term Selbstspannergewehrschlo� u.f.w.

I wonder what the difference in the novel idea might have been for the Selbstspanner. Maybe one for the lock & one for the indicator?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Also DRP 70343 where Sauer sought protection for their expensive method for assembling tubes, Verbindung von Jagdgewehrl�ufen mit dem Verschlufshaken, issued August 12th, 1893 had a novel addition by Sauer under Gebrauchsmuster / D.R.G.M. 85520 from 8.29.1895.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Has anyone handled this dainty Kerner-Anson double? I may be missing something, but I don't see any marks that point to Sauer?

http://www.csmcspecials.com/product_p/24134.htm



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Raimey
rse

My, my! That is the nicest Sauer gun I have ever seen. If it happens to be for sale please let me know. (referencing ellenbr's hammer gun)

Sauer with NR just forward of flats







J.P. Sauer Nr. 254966 June 1930(badged J. Nicklas, Riga) with chopper-lump tubes given as a Modell 380 with Krupp 3 Ringe Nirosta(Nichtrostender Stahl) which seems odd so I wonder if Nirosta was a evolution of 3 Ringe Stahl? The Nirosta recipe was developed on Oktober 17th, 1912 and Krupp/Sauer sought trademark protection for Nirosta in 1922. By the 1914 Expo in Malm�, Sweden, many, many wares were displayed that were composed of Nirosta. With all that said, I wonder if NR stands for Nirosta(Nichtrostender Stahl)????