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Just a guess on my part, but maybe a choked-bored barrel mark since it's on both barrels?

Witten Guss-Stahl Werk/Constanz Louis Berger trademark.

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Raimey
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Wow. that was quick. Thanks so much. That one has had me stomped for years.

Have that penned on the back of my hand. I believe some variant survived till 1954.

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Raimey
rse

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.de/viewitem?itemId=300516811681

Note mark in lower righthand corner.

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Raimey
rse

On another note. I was born in Berlin sept. '49 so the gun was proofed exactly one year later. (950) I probably look more worn than it does... <grin>

BTW--Keen eye you have to spot that mark in the L/RH corner

Am I correct that the words "EXCELSIOR NITTEN" is really "EXCELSIOR WITTEN" and is a high quality steel used in barrel making at the time?

Yes, Gu�-Stahl Werk Witten had the trademark Excelsior for one of its steel recipes. Not sure just how many post WWII German sporting weapons wore the Witten Excelsior tube steel. Rumour has it that Carl Ludwig Berger conjured up a steel recipe in his basement early on, skipping at least one step in the overall process for the time and either it was named Excelsior or it lead to the Excelsior recipe.

1853/54 Berger & Co.
1873 Gr�ndung der Gussstahl- und Waffenfabrik Witten vormals Berger & Co.
1881 (Nov.) Gr�ndung der Firma "Gussstahl-Werk Witten" nach mehreren ergebnislosen Sanierungsversuchen der Gussstahl- und Waffenfabrik Witten (Liquidation Sept. 1881); Einstellung der Gewehrfertigung; Produktion von Schmiedest�cken, Stahlgu�teilen, Blechen und seit 1890 auch Geschossen
1899 Kauf der Germaniah�tte bei Grevenbr�ck von der Firma Gabriel, Bergenthal & Co., Warstein
1907/08 Errichtung eines neuen Siemens-Martin-Stahlwerkes
1914-1918 R�stungsproduktion
1917 Erwerb der Anlagen und Grundst�cke der Wittener Glash�tten-AG
1922 Gebr. Stumm GmbH erwirbt die Aktienmehrheit (bis 1926)
1923 �bernahme der 1849 errichteten Firma Gustav Brinkmann & Co., Witten
Juli 1923 - Feb. 1924 Betrieb infolge der Ruhrbesetzung stillgelegt
1926/28 Einbringung in die Vereinigte Stahlwerke AG
1930 Einbringung in die neu gegr�ndete Ruhrstahl AG, einer Tochter der Vereinigten Stahlwerke. Zur Ruhrstahl AG geh�rten ferner: Henrichsh�tte Hattingen der Henschel & Sohn AG, Kassel; Werke Oberkassel und Gelsenkirchen der Rheinisch-Westf�lische Stahl- und Walzwerke AG, Gelsenkirchen; Annener Gussstahlwerk, Witten-Annen; Werk Brackwede der Vereinigte Press- u. Hammerwerke Dahlhausen-Bielefeld AG.

Wittener Gussstahl- und Waffenfabrik(Edelstahlwerk) vorm. Berger & Co.

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Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, Thank you so very much for taking the time to help me with this. I think I have all the questions answered that I have had over the years, about this gun, with the exception of ID'ing the engraver. If you're down Tuscaloosa way get in touch with me. I at least owe you dinner. Thanks again.