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Günter: Getting back to that intertwined JY/YJ stamp, a single version of it appears on this Sauer 37xxx, so it may represent a descendant of the tube maker or a collaboration.  Sauer 16 bore hammergun   And the intertwined stamp is seen on this Jan Furbacher Mesto Zdar, Vysocina, Suhl sourced, A&D boxlock from 1932. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Günter: The following wears the same forge marks we are chasing and just one ledger would ID the source.  Eustachy Dmytrachl Lvov example sourced from Heym. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey,
is it my imagination or do these forge marks (JY) appear very often in conjunction with Louis Kelber marks?
The 'Suhler Waffen Museum' might have some files/documents in their cellars but it is getting very difficult to get answers from them lately - probably too many enquiries and they have other things to do.
Perhaps you get lucky one day.
Best regards
Günter
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Günter: I wasn't going to say it but keep posting until you took note. We must be on the same wavelength or my efforts are most revealing. I might go as far as to invoke happenstance, but that's about it. The following Carl Gründig peddled drilling from December 1929 looks to have the same marks as well as the EHk as seen on Baumgarten's bunny dispatcher retailed by W. Eblen, http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=275230along with what looks to be Wilhlem Kelber's stamp lower, closer to the lugs. With the Kelber marks, I wonder how much effort was devoted to the scattergun tubes? But it does seem that the marriage of these mechanics marks originates at E. Schmidt & Habermann, which Emil Stadelmann may have owned prior to Gebrüder Stadelmann. http://www.jagdwaffensammler.de/drilling-schmidt-habermann/gruendig-drilling.html  Proofed in the final state, Carl Gründig waffenhändler. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Just to keep it straight in my mind:  Baumgarten's Toprail drilling/bunny dispatcher/Schienendrilling/Waldläufer/Woods Loafer/Off Season Drilling with script EKk or EHk  Mr. Wes Fink's Charles Daly Regent Diamond which experienced proof in January 1931 and additional info can be found in GGCA Nr. 37 at page 9. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 Max G. Fischer, Berlin sidelock Günter: Seems as there may be another variant with an intertwined G? I don't know if I have posted it prior on this thread. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, that looks indeed different from the 'JY' version, although at first sight it could be mistaken for it. Am I right in thinking that these marks are likely the 'tube forgers' marks? (and the Kelbers for instance would finish the barrels?) they seem to be mainly in line with the (i.e.) 'Krupp Laufstahl' script near the bullet. I put the 2 pics of 'JG'(?) and JY together for comparison Best regards Günter NRA Life 1974 
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