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Cross reference to Czech & Polish makers.

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Originally Posted By: ellenbr

Frantisek/Franz Novak/Nowak kaiserlich - königlich( Császári Es Királyi Udvari Puskamüves ) Höfbüchsenmacher of Praze must have hung out his gunmaking shingle in the mid to late 1820s as from 1829 to 1836 he attended Bohemian Exhbitions and received silver and bronze medals, with a bronze medal being at the Vienna Exhibition in 1835. Then in 1844 in Berlin he received a bronze medal for his effort on his wares. He designed and developed some sort of safety, or mechanism with safety features, that led to at least one of his awards. The firm employed around 30 craftsmen, which increased to say 3 dozen by the mid 19th century, and sourced tubes from Bohemia as well as Liege in order to provide upper rung sporting weapons to clients in the Empire, Poland, Russia, France and England. He was known for either sourcing or fabricating some sort of tubes, Bürschrohr und Scheibenrohr - 2 terms that have escaped me for now. Either he or a Gabriel Novak, who I guess to be his son, was a source of target pistols with special designed triggers.


Frantisek/Franz Novak/Nowak/Nowack hung out his gunmaking shingle in 1821. By 1835 at the Vienna Industrial Exhibit( Wiener Gewerbe Ausstellung von 1835 ) he was awarded the bronze medal for his wares found in exhibitions. Then in Prag at the 1837 Bohemian Industrial Products Exhibition he obtained a silver medal. In 1840 he skipped the gold medal and was dubbed k.k. Hofbüchsenmacher. But this time he empolyed 20 craftsmen and just may have been the Prague source for pattern welded tubes as well as being sourced by Austrian & German craftsmen. If I have my numbers correct as well as the gist of the info, his concern was rolling out some 29,400 tubes annually, in what state for now I cannot say. At the 1844 Berlin Exhibition he received yet another bronze medal. By the mid 1840s he employed some 30 mechanics.

I'm sure Ferdinand Ridler/Riedler of Spital on the Pyhrn(Spital am Pyhrn, Austria) was connected in some manner.

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Even H. Barella was in on the stepped lock cult like following.


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I can see where that may be more than cosmetic. It would give just enough room to allow a closer grip for the trigger finger. Rich


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From 1905 adverts, it appears that a J. Pirk, heir of puskamuves/gunsmith Károly Dotzauer, purchased Jozsef Kirner in 1904 or early 1905. Sources give that the last Jozsef Kirner expired in 1916, with his father passing in 1869. So a gunsmith J. Pirk of Budapest purchased/inherited both concerns.


1903 Advert noting Jozsef Kirner being a supplier to the court of the King of Italy
cs. és kir. udv. - Császári Es Királyi Udvari Puskamüves



1905 advert noting J. Pirk as successor to Jozsef Kirner


Pirk J. örököse Dotzauer Károly. Puskamuves, Budapesten




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Also stumbled upon 2 other Budapest gunsmiths:


L. Földesy puskamüves - 1894 Advert



Ferencz Knebl vadászfegyvereket(Hunting Weapons) 1922 Advert & he is willing to take on repairs.

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Interesting Friedrich Wilhelm Heym with AH stamp peddled by Eustachy Dmytrach of Lwöw from 1929.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Pre-War...un_id=100314768










Looks to be a set of WK and LK initials. Wonder if this was one of the last effort prior to Gebrüder Kelber, Louis & Wilhelm, splitting the sheet?

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