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Since the thread has been revived, this looks like a good place to ask: was the machined into the action hinge pin used in the 700 series also used in W&S guns made before WWII? Gil
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Damascus, Have you ever seen a 700 with disc set strikers? I ask because I have handled several model 500s that have that feature, and have seen two 700s that broke integral striker/tumblers at the height of pheasant season. It is a bit of an involved repair. My Dad's Beretta O/U broke a striker in the early 1970s, not integral with the tumbler, it was a five minute repair at the 'smiths, and a disc set striker my child could replace, with a bit of instruction. I have always wondered why they moved away from disc set design, it seems so user friendly.
Best, Ted
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To my certain knowledge all the 700 series guns had a solid pin . This was a legacy from the prior 400/500/600 series . No 700 had disc set strikers and I do not think any post WW2 guns had in an attempt to cut costs simplify manufacture .
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Ted gunman is correct and of course he was there at the factory. From an engineering standpoint a single small hole in the breach face is far cheaper to produce than a larger threaded one in the cost of tooling alone, not to mention its matching other half. Also the 700 was designed made and sold to meet a price in its intended market so the added cost of disk set strikers would not be considered I am sure. As for repair of a broken striker I have seen a couple of repairs on hammers. Both repairs consisted of removing the striker remnants drilling a hole in the hammer face, fitting a replacement striker having a collar which contacted the hammer face to improve mounting stability. As the striker is positioned off centre of hammer centre line positioning is critical, on both repairs it looked like the strikers where held in place with silver solder rather than brazing.
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Very nice article. However, one photo refers to a "screw grip". I don't believe the Model 700 is a screw grip gun, unless maybe very early ones were made that way and the design later modified. A true screw grip (like the Models 400 and 500) requires a 3rd fastener in the form of a top rib extension that fits into a slot in the face of the standing breech. When you look into that slot, you can see the threads on the screw which the rib extension engages. My Model 400 Grade 1 is an example. It also has disc set strikers.
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700's still retained the "grip nut" but it had no real function so was obsolete but the cost of altering the design and re tooling was considered not to be worth it . Striker holes on 700's were drilled by the inside work fitter , these were marked with center punches in chamber plugs and drilled in a hand held jig on a treadle lathe .
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AAAgh!!! Not again!!
L Brown. I suggest you do read the posting and the replies. The name for the part in question was taken from a Webley & Scott parts list from the 1970s yes! They did supply some parts and castings, given to me by a local Gunsmith. Now if you read the description of how the action opens and closes it is obviously not the description of a genuine screw grip action. Gunman has kindly given the correct factory name for the said top leaver surround in one of his replies for which I am grateful.
Oh!!!! Please can we put this to bed because I am starting to feel that firstly I wish I had not put pen to paper as the say secondly I have the feeling this screw grip thing, which was not my naming of the part is going to follow me around every time this posting rears its head like the chains of Marley's ghost.
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OT apologies. Mention of small numbers A&N made by W&S: cansay/speculate on other makers of A&N guns, please? My modest 1913 58-thou range is a well-crafted gun.
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