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I just put a sweet and a 20 ga. side by side and checked with a measure tape. Both FN. 16 from 1963, 20 from 1976 (last year).
The receivers are identical.
I don't have a standard 16 to compare, but my 12's are longer and wider, and slightly taller.
Dam... I forgot how nice this 16 is... it's one with a 28" vent rib. Now I gotta find a reason to go shoot it...
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Just a guess -- maybe Browning's answer is correct for the later production guns made in Japan? Would be no surprise to learn they dropped a version to reduce the cost of setting up production in Japan.
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For ShotgunJones and anyone else interested.......
I just spoke with Glen Jensen, Browning Historian, Browning Technical Assistance, Arnold, Missouri....
The 12 gauge and the 16 gauge standard and Sweet 16 are the same frame size castings at F.N......the 20 gauge frame size is smaller and stand alone in dimension.......
The internal milling and machining will differ, depending on Mag 12 or Standard, Mag 20 or Standard....the barrel dimensions will differ as will wood, effecting weight obviously, but the frame exterior dimensions are as noted above, as per Browning Technical Department....
Glen Jensen, Browning Technical Historian, Drawings and Diagrams - 1-800-322-4626
Browning Technical Service Department
3005 Arnold-Tenbrook Road
Arnold, Missouri 63010
Doug
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"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Sj,
My S16 is a 1960 gun with a 28", VR barrel, choked Mod. and I can not wait to get it in my hands.
It's interesting that there is apparently so much dispute over what makes a Sweet Sixteen different from the standard 16. I guess my question wasn't such a bad one to ask.
J
Around the steel no tortured worm shall twine.
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It was a great question!
The VR barrel was only on about 40% of the guns.
They also came in matted top and plain. Not sure I've seen a solid rib, but they could be out there.
You will enjoy it. The wood is a light English usually on that vintage.
I had this one Briley choked since the 'full' was a bit much. It had the wood redone by Garvin's, and the wood looks like new. The blue is about 95%... It gets a few outings a year.
Function with mine is 100% with Fiocchi dove loads.
Hope you enjoy your new toy.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Did they all have the lightening channels milled into the inside of the reciever around the loading gate and gold triggers?
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I've owned quite a few, 12, 12 mag, 20 mag, 16, Sweet 16...........and the only two that were different as memory serves (sold most of them) were the 12 mag, which was notably heavy (new with factory mag Pachmyer) and the 20 mag which was notably very light in comparison to the others......All F.N. guns.......... Glen Jensen at Browning appeared to be an older gent and very nice, therefore I would guess his information is correct ....?.....There is so much conflict in Browning data, dates of manufacture and everything else, "never say never"...... Midwest Gun Works is also very knowledgeable about Brownings and is a stocking parts dealer for the older obsolete Browning parts....I will ask a person I know there what his take is on the A-5 frame castings......
Doug
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Sj,
My S16 is a 1960 gun with a 28", VR barrel, choked Mod. and I can not wait to get it in my hands.
It's interesting that there is apparently so much dispute over what makes a Sweet Sixteen different from the standard 16. I guess my question wasn't such a bad one to ask.
J
Around the steel no tortured worm shall twine.
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Midwest Gun Works is a stocking Browning Dealer, sells new Browning O.E. factory parts for most of their older models.....and new factory stocks for most models........I figured they would know about frame sizes, since they sell the new factory stocks....
Rich or Travis @ Midwest Gun Works - 636-475-7300, Pevely, Missouri....
F.N. made guns:
Rich says, the Mag 12 and the Standard 12 have the same frame...
The 16's, all of them from the very early ones clear to the end of production in 1976 have the same frame size which is smaller than the 12 frame , the Sweet 16, the Standard 16 older and newer, ...all have the same frame and will accept the same stock.......
Basically the same information Browning gave JG during his phone call.........
The 20's have a lighter frame, slightly smaller and the standard 20 requires a different stock than the Mag 20 and the 16 stocks will not fit on any 20......
Doug
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