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Raimey, I have contacted the Suhl Waffen Museum regarding the JY mark (with photo) and also asked whether they might know which of the Suhl makers had a number in the range of 360.000 in 1939 Waiting for an answer. On your latest pic (A Schön) the 3 marks on the left of the pic seem to be 3 different marks? I make out one JY - what are the other two? I have flipped the photo to see the JY right way up - which may show the other two upside down?  Best regards from England Günter NRA Life 1974
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Upon closer inspection the stamps are the intertwined RK, or whatever it is, then 2 of the intertwined JY with one inverted with respect to the other and a "Crown" over "S" in between.  Intertwined RK on an A. Schön Gewehrfabrik with "4079 AS" in between. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Schmidt & Habermann was a hot contender, but apparently their serial numbers would not quite have reached 366005 in 1939.
I may have posted the Bock-Paul Stadelmann connection previously, but a translation effort by Günter on a Bock article reminded me that Paul Stadelmann was an apprentice or employee at Otto Bock's concern. So when Paul Stadelmann made the transition to E. Schmidt & Habermann(co-owner) that would have greatly strengthened or established a sourcing line from Otto Bock to E. Schmidt & Habermann. I think the mechanic Paul Stadelmann to be a central figure and needs more study for post 1900 upper rung German sporting arms. Also wanted to rekindle interesting in Otto Bock's wares. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Still chasing that JY tube forge mark as seen on the Springer DR 9.3X74R sourced from Suhl and completed in Wien in 1939/1940.   Note the EK, whatever, which is seen along with another lowercase script k as seen on Baumgarten's Eblen & Mr. Fink's Daly. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Wow. Where's that freakin' gun? It looks pretty awesome. The third bite looks pretty unusual.
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 "gun was made for Prince Franz Josef Windisch Graetz, grand son of Kaiser Franz Josef" - I think I've posted it prior on this site. It is either owned by a friend in Russian or a friend of a friend and Geno was the one that brought it to my attention; maybe Marc will know. I believe Springer attempted to re-acquire it? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Yeah, I don't know if the metal on the bar is 2 tone on the Springer DR or what. Difficult to tell from the image but it does not look exactly like the Lovely Lovena below. Some say the adornment is too busy, but I for one can't wait for Mr. Felix Neuberger to pen and publish his article on Lovena to see if it is know who performed the tap, tap, tap.  Lovena  This Lovena's ownership is in the same circle of folks as the Springer DR I believe. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey you are correct this double rifle is now own by my Russian friend Sergey, Springer wanted aquire the gun back but my friend refuse to sell it.
I have more pictures of the gun but I doubt Sergey gone permit to publish his fotos.
Marc.
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Thanks Marc and I believe it is/was for sale on a Russian site at some high sum and the images are there: http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/187/1051047.htmlKind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, yes the same gun.
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