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I don't know what a liberal is, but I do know that I am writing this while riding the train to work.

On a Sunday morning, at 645 am my time. I got on the train as it left the station. At 0530.

I'll be working all day and might get home in time for the end of Sunday Night Football.

Thank you very much.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for you because you choose to live in the North East ant hill and are required to commute to work on a train, by choice.....?...

Are we supposed to feel sorry for you because you work on Sunday.....?.....

Your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever, you are not the first, nor will you be the last, worker bee to put in long hours.............

Your vote and support for Obama doesn't make any sense either, maybe you think that your vote and support for Obama will increase the fruits of your labor ......?.......

Whine-whine-whine..Are you keeping the pressure on your elected employees or just snivelling on the internet...?????

Dave, there are a lot of hard working liberals. Almost all of them vote Democrat because they were taught that the Democrat Party is the party of the working man. I was told this by my Dad and Grandfather, and I started out as a registered Democrat.

It did not take me long at all to realize that the Democrat Party was quickly becoming the party of the NON-WORKING man. I saw this when I was in my early 20's, and I changed my voter registration to Independant. I do mostly vote for Republicans because the Democrats don't really represent the middle class, and they haven't for decades. They still talked the talk when it came to doing for the working middle class, but they didn't walk the walk. They lie to us over and over. They try to frighten folks. They say the dirty Republicans would steal our Social Security, yet Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 did not steal my Social Security. They talk about Bain Capital, as do you, yet Bill Clinton signed NAFTA which opened the floodgates for 1000 times more outsourcing than Bain ever did. They used our tax dollars to bail out GM, because GM and the Union were huge Obama campaign contributors in 2008. GM almost went under because of GMAC and the mortgage meltdown which was brought on by The Affordable Housing Act, another Democrat boondoggle which was signed by Bill Clinton. This Democrat policy almost caused a Great Depression, yet they lied and blamed Bush. Now GM is a low wage car assembly corporation that builds cars using $14.25/hr. workers and uses only 45% U.S. manufactured parts content. GM has outsourced hundreds of thousands of good manufacturing jobs for decades, and the Democrats took their bribe money to continue it in spades. We heard a lot about Bain Capital this year, but did the Democrats tell you about the massive outsourcing done by Democrat contributors like General Motors and General Electric? Have you seen any pictures of Detroit lately? Republicans didn't do that damage. The Democrats Great Society and General Motors did most of that. They also turned a blind eye to over 20 million illegals who invaded our country because they saw them as future votes, registered or not. As these illegals took millions of jobs at low wages, they put even more downward pressure on the wages of American Citizens. The infrastructure in this country is not in sad shape because we don't pay enough taxes. We workers are taxed at very high rates when you consider all of the hidden taxes in addition to income taxes (which 45% of Americans don't pay at all). The crumbling infrastructure we hear about is because so much of our tax money, and borrowed budget money, is diverted to social welfare programs. The liberal Democrats have undermined the very workers they purport to represent, and methodically created a dependant class using money stolen from the working class and stolen from future generations.

The Democrats, by and large, are also the party that wants to weaken or eliminate the Second Amendment. Don't even try to deny that. I could go on for hours about why I think the liberal leadership of the Democrat Party are disingenuous liars who are moving this country far away from it's founding principles, and even far away from what the Democrat Party itself once was. But you know that too. You just refuse to open your eyes. You can't do what I did and realize you were wrong, and then do something about it.

In short, to answer your question... a Liberal is someone who thinks with their heart instead of their brain.

...and this is why there is no hope for homer and nca225. No brains. None. Zero, zip, nada.

Good summary above Keith:
My own background is very similiar to yours(born and raised in a blue collar Democratic household). I used to attribute my families ignorence to lack of education and a gross misunderstanding of economics. I don't believe that's any longer the case.
They do in fact take their brains out of gear when it comes politics.
As I have stated previously; The Commiecrats have made their bed and I hope they enjoy lying it it. IMO; We are in NO BETTER POSITION to solve the critical problems we face than we were 4 years ago.
The really sad thing is the crux of our problems, at least as far as the housing meltdown goes, is directly tied to the Affordable Housing Act which was enacted under Clintons Administration.
Jim

Well said Keith......especially your quasi polite definition of a liberal...!...

No payments towards entitlements, then the money vanished. Are you sure the money was there in the first place. Didn't their financial statements show a large slowdown in sales. Looks like the company used the money to meet payroll and day to day operations, while buying some time to negotiate with your labor buddies.

What would you do? Sit on your tail, or work on a Sunday. In a nutshell, it was reported that the company asked for a 4% pay cut and a $17 per week increase in health plan contribution. In today's economy, better to stand on principal, Merry Christmas eh.

Who got bained, isn't that a popular big labor tactic. Dupe members into 'employee ownership' deals. The union shifts pension liability to future profits from the company. Knowing all along, it'll be run into the ground and accounts shifted to new companies that already have exit plans. Bet many of us know folks whose cushy pension and health plan went adios with a failed company and the member is left with a token pension from the union they paid dues to for decades.

Thank you for your insight. In your account, the only folks who will be creating jobs are the rich corporate fat cats who are going to pick up the pieces, not the government or the unions. I bet the folks who work for the new company are going to be thankful they have jobs, right up until they start getting arm twisted by labor again.

If true, that is an ERISA violation and they can be prosecuted. A violation is a violation, whether it's pension shenanigans or shooting over the limit. The key is enforcement.



Someone is going to buy at least parts of the carcass (but not the "business"), and start producing the products without the involvement of the unions. Too bad the electorate can't do that with government.

Defined benefit pension plans, whether union or otherwise, are not "entitlements." They are contractual obligations and are fully enforceable. Underfunded plans are at least partially covered by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC). There is a big difference (legally and financially) between an underfunded plan, and a plan that has not been funded because of fraud.