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#296976 - 10/14/12 06:00 AM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Raimey,

You have J. Erhart about right. My notes on him are from circa 1866-1899. The Kaiser first used his gun in 1870. I wouldn't know about his association with Lechner. He was listed as a merchant in Graz and probably partner in Lechner & Jungl there. They started traded in firearms in the middle 1870s.
I do not know anything on Templer.
Schaschl was a well known family of gunmakers but I don't know about any specific markings. Similar on Umfahrer (who went out of business during 1870s).

With kind regards,
Jani

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#296988 - 10/14/12 09:17 AM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Jani:

Franz Umfahrer was still active in the mid 1870s and with 150+ craftsmen under his umbrella it would seem that he could have continued for a time. It appears more research needs to be devoted to the 1880s when like the craftsmen at Herzberg, may firms fell by the wayside, which just may have been due to a lack of embracing mechanization. I guess I need to get these makers in order just to see what transpired. Take Leopold Gasser for example who hung out his shingle in 1862 with all but no mechanization. By the mid 1870s he employed 400 workers, most(maybe 300?) probably at the Sankt Pölten facility churning out the Montenegrin pistol, and it seems he embraced mechanization regarding pistols and the like but little effort toward sporting weapons. It may be that a firm had to have a military contract to survive the 1870s & 1880s.

Johann Haberda(Fürst Schwarzenbergscher Hofbüchsenmacher), whose gunmaking shingle was visible on his street in Frauenberg, Böhmen in 1814(or his father K. Haberda), more than likely had an outlet or office in Steiermark in the 1870s as he advertises as supplying folks in Böhmen, Nieder-Oesterreich, Steiermark, Ungarn as well as France for the period. I can't remember right off when he was dubbed with his marketing title, but he is listed as just a gunsmith in the early 1870s.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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#297495 - 10/19/12 02:27 AM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Raimey,

Franz Umfahrer closed down in 1876. Leopold Gasser was able to turn his small revolver shop into a proper factory when the Austro-Hungarian military adopted his patented revolver in 1870. As far as I know all of his revolvers were made in Vienna (Ottakring), the St. Pölten factory being a foundry for making parts in the rough. Besides making revolvers, L. Gasser offered a full range of sporting arms.
I wouldn't know if Johann Haberda was formaly represented in Steiermark but his guns are not unknown here.

With kind regards,
Jani

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#297844 - 10/23/12 10:41 AM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Jani:
What about Franz Drescher of Troppeau/Opava/Opawa? He was in Gustav Tichy's backyard but I am not sure of his dates of business.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

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#297857 - 10/23/12 03:55 PM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Raimey,

I have nothing on Drescher in my head so I googled a little bit. His 16g sidelock on the Czech BAZAR (back from 2010) was made using British tubes and Liege action. The gun is marked Troppau so it was probably made before 1919. The seller (on Bazar) claims that Franz Drescher did not make over 10 guns per year.

With kind regards,
Jani


Edited by montenegrin (10/23/12 05:49 PM)

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#297858 - 10/23/12 04:21 PM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Another Franz Drescher piece from BAZAR (2011) is an o/u BBF of obvious Ferlach extraction. I would put this 7x65R-16/65 gun into late 1930s so his working span could be circa 1900-1940.

With kind regards,
Jani

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#297869 - 10/23/12 07:07 PM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Thanks Jani for the effort. I think his business model closely resembled that of Gustav Tichy and yes production may have been a dozen sporting weapons a year. I'm not sure on the British sourced tubes but it may be a British steel type like JNO HY. ANDREW & CO. LTD TOLEDO STEEL. Any idea what happened in Opawa at the onset of WWII?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

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#297880 - 10/23/12 09:14 PM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Raimey,
Opava turned back to Troppau in 1938 when the German army marched in, and remained so till 1945. But I do not know any particularities from this period. I imagine that some if not most of the local Germans, who were in majority, liked it. After the war most of the German civilians were expelled to Germany, mostly to Bamberg. Maybe Franz Drescher was among them, if he was still around by that time.

With kind regards,
Jani

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#297881 - 10/23/12 09:17 PM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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By the way, the Czech seller of the Franz Drescher sidelock double claims that the barrels are marked as being made in Sheffield. -Jani

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#297883 - 10/23/12 09:56 PM Re: Stroßmayr, Marburg [Re: montenegrin]
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Jani:
If I'm not mistaken all the Andrew Jno.(Jho.) Hy. & Co. Ltd. Toledo Steel tubes have a Sheffield, England stamp. But they were made in Liege, & I would hold firmly with the same for Franz Drescher's wares.



http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20h/a%20halska%20v%20and%20cie%20gb.htm
I have serious reservations that any JNO. Hy. Andrew Toledo steel tubes were rolled in England.

J. Novotny did the same:

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20005/lot/5463/

"Serial no. 4938, 16 gauge. 27 inch blued barrels with matte concave rib; breeches marked J. Nowotny/Praha; undersides marked Jho Hy Andrews & Co.Ltd. Toledo Steel Works Sheffield. Ejectors. Automatic safety. Double triggers. Blued sidelock action. Checkered splinter fore-end with Anson release and checkered semi-pistolgrip stock of partly figured walnut. Checkered butt. Vacant escutcheon. Sling swivels."

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

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