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"We may have made a little progress fighting back but there is a long way to go."
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Every time one of the left wing loonies who infest the Misfires area of this forum tries to tell us we have nothing to worry about with the likes of Obama the situation in Canada comes to mind. Billions wasted setting up a worthless firearms registration system. Idiotic regulations an "law enforcement" with airsoft guns such as canvasback cites above.
The latest piece of loonacy comes from, you guessed it, that wonderful city of Chicago.

Quote:
"We may have made a little progress fighting back but there is a long way to go."
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Every time one of the left wing loonies who infest the Misfires area of this forum tries to tell us we have nothing to worry about with the likes of Obama the situation in Canada comes to mind. Billions wasted setting up a worthless firearms registration system. Idiotic regulations an "law enforcement" with airsoft guns such as canvasback cites above.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/...n-guns-and-ammo
The latest piece of loonacy comes from, you guessed it, that wonderful city of Chicago.

Quote:
"We may have made a little progress fighting back but there is a long way to go."
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Every time one of the left wing loonies who infest the Misfires area of this forum tries to tell us we have nothing to worry about with the likes of Obama the situation in Canada comes to mind. Billions wasted setting up a worthless firearms registration system. Idiotic regulations and "law enforcement" of kids with airsoft guns such as canvasback cites above.

This latest piece of stupidity comes from, you guessed it, that wonderful city of Chicago. IMO: It's too bad the damn place was ever re-built after the great fire. If there was ever a question in your mind that the left wing socialists have little interest in preventing criminals from using guns but rather a goal of disarming all the law abiding citizens read on!
Jim
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/...n-guns-and-ammo

As far as I know you cannot bring a modern muzzle-loading pistol into Canada without a permit form the Canadians. It is restricted weapon. Replica guns to me mean air-soft toys.
I do not know about a genuine antique but I will find out later today. Italian SXS brags he can send a 1861 Colt to a buddy in a nearby state, great.
I can mail a 30-06 rifle direct to Canvasback today. No need to send it to a FFL dealer first, so we have the advantage over you there.
Here is a question for you Americans, I legally own handguns but I cannot bring one into the USA for personal protection.
Can I bring an antique Colt 1849 percussion with me and carry it loaded for personal protection?

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"Italian SXS brags he can send a 1861 Colt to a buddy in a nearby state, great."

As the cowboy used to state in one of those great cowboys Westerns of years gone by "No brag just the facts"!

If this came across as "bragging" it is misintrepreted and I was simply trying to point out that our laws, at least in some limited ares, make a bit of sense.

When was the last time a gangbanger held up a corner grocery store with a cap & ball revolver? These fools would be clueless as to how to load one or even get the necessary components in the first place.

As far as your 1849 goes if you are NOT a convicted felon in Arizona you could carry this pistol while visiting here.I can only speak for Arizona and don't know about other States except for Illinois where,if caught, you would probably be joining several of their Ex - Governors as a "Guest of the state" .

Here is a summary of the Canadian laws regarding antique firearms.Note the section detailing "Prescribed Antique Firearms". Hope this helps.


http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/150/199/http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/150/199/

Criminal Code section (CC s.) 84(3) says, in part:

For the purposes of (CC) sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm...
Therefore, no FAC, licence, ATT, ATC, registration certificate, transfer procedure, or documentation is required for any transfer, transportation, or possession of any "antique firearm." Also, as CC s. 84(3) says, nothing in the Firearms Act applies to any "antique firearm."

That also applies to an "antique firearm" that is also a "prohibited firearm" or a "restricted firearm." Yes, that odd pairing can and does happen!




a) any antique firearm [emphasis added throughout]...

Therefore, under the previous legislation, any antique firearm became a "firearm" and a "restricted weapon" or a "prohibited weapon" (if it met the CC s. 84(1) physical characteristic list for such a designation) at the moment the possessor formed an intention to discharge it.

Under the current legislation, "any antique firearm" (including, apparently, a loaded one) is not a "firearm" for the following purposes:

1. Firearms Act: None of the provisions of the Firearms Act, including those requiring registration, licences, ATTs and/or ATCs, apply to any "antique firearm."
2. CC s. 91 and 92: Possession of any "antique firearm" without a licence or registration certificate is legal.
3. CC s. 93: Possession of any "antique firearm" at any location is legal.

4. CC s. 94: Being in a motor vehicle with any "antique firearm" is legal.
5. CC s. 95: Being in possession of a loaded "antique firearm" (which is also a "restricted firearm" or a "prohibited firearm"), or one with readily accessible ammunition is legal even if the person is not the holder of any licence, registration certificate, ATT, or ATC.
6. CC s. 99: Transferring or offering to transfer any "antique firearm" is legal.
7. CC s. 100: Dealing in any type of any "antique firearm" is legal.
8. CC s. 101: Transferring any "antique firearm" is legal if the transfer apparently violates the Firearms Act.
9. CC s. 103 and 104: Importing or exporting any "antique firearm" is legal.
10. CC s. 105: Not reporting the loss or finding of any "antique firearm" is legal.
11. CC s. 106 and 107: Not reporting the destruction of any "antique firearm" is legal, and knowingly making a false report of that type to a firearms official or the police is legal.
12. CC s. 117.03: A peace officer who finds a person in possession of any "antique firearm" is not authorized to demand that the person present a licence, registration certificate, ATT, and/or ATC.
On the other hand, an "antique firearm" is still a "firearm" for the purposes of all sections of the Criminal Code other than those listed above. For example, an "antique firearm" is a "firearm" for the purposes of CC s. 85 (using while committing an offence), 86 (storage and transportation rules -- but the rules for "antique firearms" are very mild), 87 (points a firearm at another person), 88 (possession for a purpose dangerous to the public peace), 89 (possession at or on the way to a public meeting, and 90 (carrying a weapon [see CC s. 2 "weapon" and "firearm"] concealed).

Criminal Code section [CC s.] 84(1) "antique firearm" defines "any firearm manufactured before 1898 that was not designed to discharge rimfire or centre-fire ammunition and that has not been redesigned to discharge such ammunition" as an "antique firearm" [emphasis added].

The C-68 Firearms Act section 84(1) definition of "antique firearm" includes "any firearm that is prescribed by Order in Council [OIC]) to be an antique firearm" [emphasis added].

Bill C-68 is very defective legislation, and it is our duty to test it in the fires of work-to-rule. They wrote this defective legislation, and we must enforce -- to the letter -- the requirements that firearms control bureaaucrats have to comply with. Watch for many NFA information in this area.

Current version: as posted between Nov 28, 2008 and Jun 16, 2009
URL:
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-98-464/latest/
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Last updated from the Justice Laws Web Site on 2009-06-16
Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms
Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms
SOR/98-464
CRIMINAL CODE

His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions �prescribed� and �antique firearm�a in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)a of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms.
a S.C. 1995, c. 39, s. 139
Registration September 16, 1998
REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING ANTIQUE FIREARMS
PRESCRIPTION
1. The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition �antique firearm� in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.
COMING INTO FORCE
2. These Regulations come into force on December 1, 1998.
SOR/98-472, s. 3.
SCHEDULE
(Section 1)
BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS
1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897.
RIFLES
2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.
3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine.
SHOTGUNS
4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.
5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges.
HANDGUNS
6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.
7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc...chorbo-ga:s_14

ANTIQUE FIREARMS




14. (1) An individual may store, display or transport an antique firearm only if it is unloaded.


(2) An individual may transport an antique firearm in an unattended vehicle only if


(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and



(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the antique firearm, is securely locked.



(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.

Thanks bcowern, I think I have it sorted out, though it's about as clear as mud. I notice that it's spoken of as "very defective legislation" that's putting it mildly. However, it's gratifying to know that we aren't the only country that has morons and imbeciles writing the laws.
I'll leave out morons since that's insulting to actual morons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile
Steve

Yes, all that applies to us Canucks, nowhere there did I see any reference to importing antique handguns, and am I permitted,as an a Canadian visitor, to carry an 1849 original Colt percussion pistol, loaded, for personal protection, when travelling in the US? Nobody seems to be able to answer my question.

Cant bring it to NY State...if it's loaded OR if you possess the materials to load it.

tjw

Mike, it all depends on which state you are traveling. Check individual state laws. I feel good about carrying in North Dakota and Montana but I do have a concealed permit. Manitoba is a beautiful province. Too bad a line separates us. Say hello to Les Nelson in Minatonis(sp) for me if you see him. He was my guide back in 1981.