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Mr.Martin,read the entire Jungle Gun thread here on the board there are some great pictures of the breech face that show the threads that work the cam that closes down on the rib extension. I think that should do it. If not we'll work on it some more I'm sure someone else will chime in with help

The gun shown in the picture on page 6 dose not ,repeat does not have a Webley screw grip lever .It has a standared Scott spindle with straight extention . Take it from me ,I have fitted Webley lever work so I do know one when I see one .

Gunman,

Thank you! What is the correct term for this type of 3rd bite using the straight extension locking off the boss of the top lever? I have seen quite a few guns proofed for 2 3/4" & 3" cartridges using this type of 3rd bite marketed by different firms so I'm assuming this was an action commonly available to the trade. Who were the suppliers the actions or action forgings?

justin,
thanks again for a further link but i have already read the article and as i said earlier i have also read the link to leeson.i have also said i am familiar with screw grip actions but i still cannot see the screw grip proof in the photograph provided.
i have also apologised to homelessjOe re the matter since lovell(sellers) claim this gun is a screw grip.i do not see it in the picture hence my request for an explanation.
cheers
mrwmartin

Hopefully gunman can confirm this but this is what I believe is a Webley Screw Grip action top lever:



as compared to this top lever



I have made an inquiry with AA Brown to see what their records show with respect to the gun in question (the second photo).

Well mr Martin I may be the goat here. Since there are no pictures of the breech face and in the face of gunman's strong and well informed opinion I got to back off and hit the books on this.
Gunman,what should we be looking at for confirmation of the Webley patent? Is the Jungle Gun a Webley patent with a doll's head extension? And how come I can never get this shit right?

justin.
i do not claim to be correct, i am only asking for assistance in identification from the photo. a fellow board member, roy hebbes, kindly sent me a copy of a marvelous screw grip article from a historical edition of shooting sportsman.it is a great read re screw grips.
cheers
doverham,
your top photo is indeed a webley horse shoe lever.
cheers

mrwmartin

Doverham,The first illustration posted is the Webley Screw Grip[ie; the screwed bushing is separate from the operating lever and is usually marked,"patent" the bushing is machined to accept the lever].I would refer those interested to page 56 of ;"Volume 2, The British Shotgun," by Crudgington and Baker.Illustrated is T.Webley & T Bain patent 3053 of 1882," The Screw Grip".Reference is also made to Webley patent 1511 also of 1882 rib extension.The illustration that accompanies the patent drawing is a Leeson shotgun featuring a dolls head rib extension and third bite activated by the Webley Baine Screw grip.
Records indicate that Webley Screw grip action was made from1900-1946 and possibley as late as 1950. The action was sold in the white to many makers.

I think Lovel owes Doverham an apology, but, I can't see where anyone else owes one to anybody. 'Cepting, maybe, the guy who used the term "Lugg head".

Even after he was told he was looking in the wrong place.

By multiple people.

Again.

Best,
Ted

Joe posted: 'Webley & Scott made actions and parts for most all English gun makers...was Brown any different than say Holland and Holland ?'

It is a good question. The answer is that Brown's used their own forgings and machined them in house. They did not use webley actions. Browns built many of the Holland & Holland 'Northwood' boxlocks and 'Badminton' sidelocks.