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I need help identifying a Prussian Daly 12ga SXS. I was told it was built about 1890s by Sauer & Sons, with Krupp barrels. You can contact me at craighaven@gmail.com Thanks, Craig
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A slight oversight as I missed this thread for a time. According to Jeff's list 108xx would date to circa 1904. This also pairs well with all of S,D&G's Sauer adverts at the time. I have wondered if Lindner & Sauer had crossed sourcing lines for effort. There may be boxlocks with upper & lower scears earlier than 106xxx, but the block of S,D&G imports may have begun in that block. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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I noticed in Mr. Cate's text that Sauers 108271 & 108460 were from September 1903 per the Suhl Museum. So maybe it experienced proof in 1903.
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It's a nice looking Sauer built Daly, but it's post 1900, not a pre 1898. Looks like one that was previously listed on the IMA site.
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From GGCA's site I noticed it is in the 106xxx range which Jeff Stephen's list gives 1903. 1905/1906 Sauer Gun Advert - Sole U.S. Agents - Schoverling, Daly & Gales Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Chief- It was from IMA, but is a 12 ga not a 16. Craig
Last edited by Craig Havener; 09/24/12 07:40 PM.
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I've been corresponding with Craig offline. I agree with Raimey's dating of the gun as 1903. The rest of the markings are consistent with that date.
This is a very interesting Daly. The Daly model 80 was made and marked by Sauer is is advertised in the 1902 SD&G Daly catalog. That said, the model 80 was a pretty basic gun - flat back action, no sideslips, etc.
SD&G noted in the model 80 description that the gun was being made by the same manufacturer who made their drillings (i.e., Sauer) due to the "excessive demand" for their other models. Despite this gun being a being a non-ejector, Craig's gun is definitely a cut above the model 80. I am not sure of the model as I have not noted this gun in the period SD&G catalogs I own. While not wildly different in styling from a Lindner sourced Daly of the same period, there are notable differences. The cocking indicators on the side of the action being the item that first jumps out to me.
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Taking the following U.S. of A. patent #305264 where William Anson sought protection for the upper & lower scear innovation, http://www.google.com/patents/US305264?p...son&f=false (GB - August 26th, 1882 - 4089), and with the U.S. of A. being what 20 years, Germany what 15 years and the U.K. 14? - http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post260064It seems that Sauer waited some 20 years before settling on a boxlock design in 1902/1903. Sauer's side cocking indicator is found under DRGM/Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 130,243(signalwellen für kipplaufgewehre /Spannanzeiger) and was filed on 24th January 1900, with subsequent registration on 14th March 1900. Protection under the D.R.G.M. was only valid for 3 years with an additional 3 years at a cost of 60 Marks. I'll have to look to see if Sauer upped the ante but April 1903(1.14.1903) would have seen the protection pass and this example doesn't wear the D.R.G.M. 130243 around the indicator, or does it? Edward K. Tryon Jr. & Company of Philadelphia seems to have peddled some of the earlier Sauer boxlocks in the 103xxx range. Edward K. Tryon, Jr. expired in 1904 and the company name changed to Edward K. Tryon Company so Sauer 103221 had to have experienced proof prior to 1904 and it doesn't wear the D.R.G.M. 130243. So that would box it in between 1903 & 1904. So the subject scattergun could well be in the 1st upper/lower scear boxlock shipment to S,D&G. No touchmarks on the standing breech are there? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Looks tremendously like my nephew's 10 ga. Prussian Sauer. I cannot clearly see the marks...does it have the proofmark of the little soldier? Steve
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You probably mean Hercules with his club. There is one on the end of the through lug on the bottom of the barrels.
In addition to the different cocking indicators it is also missing the Lindner escutchens on the forend and I can't see any Diamond Grade markings on the rib which this gun would seem to have sufficient engraving to be considered. The machine made cross hatching on the rib is very different as well.
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