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Anyone familiar with this maker? The gun in question bears pre-1954 Birmingham proofs and the water table has "B&T Patents 167050-20 167117-20" stamped on it. The action appears to be sideplated rather than sidelock, but there are three pins on each sideplate (in addition to the retaining screws) and a screw where the main spring is tyically attached in a bar action sidelock.
Thanks in advance, Doverham
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Last edited by Doverham; 09/10/12 10:35 AM.
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I have found a few Darbys. The latest being a Wilfred Darby who ceased trading in 1922 according to Nigel Brown. Your proof marks are post 1925 by the look of them but seem most likely. He traded from 55 Weaman Street, Birmingham. Possibly the B in the B&T might be William Baker who was a prolific patentee. I will have to a bit more digging to see who was a possible co-patentee. Lagopus.....
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Thanks Lagopus. The name on the rib apparently is W. Darby, so that sounds like a match.
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Lapogus is correct the patents are the invention of William Baker in the case of 167117,jointly with Joseph D Thompson.
From the," British Shotgun Volume 3", by David Baker & I Crudgington we learn:
167050 Was registered by William Baker in 1921.It covers an Alternative cocking mechanism for Bakers patent 2899 of 1902.The point of interest is that the lock mainsprings in the 1902 design is a coil spring.The patent is illustrated on page 206.
167117 was registered in 1920 and as previously indicated is a joint patent by W.Baker&Joseph D Thompson.It refers to a coil spring return for a top lever.This patent is illustrated on page 212 of the above mentioned book.
Roy Hebbes
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So, is this a coil spring sidelock?
USAF RET 1971-95 ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57865_80x60.jpg)
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Thanks Roy. Just had time to look in David Baker's book this morning. Interesting gun. Lagopus.....
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Thanks Roy. So it looks like the tumbler axle and sear pin are just above the triggers, and pin for the coil spring is at the back of the lock. Is the pin at the top for a hanging interceptor sear and is the screw in the action bar a retaining screw or somehow related to the cocking rod perhaps?
I have not been able to handle this gun in person, so I am relying on the pics only. The fit and finish from the pics seems average.
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