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#290212 - 08/22/12 04:25 PM Identify a SxS / Immanuel Meffert "Treff" BLnE
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EDIT: Title changed to reflect that the action has been identified and now it is a picture thread. wink

German BLnE
12ga
Nitro Proofed Krupp barrels.
No date stamp among proofs.

More pictures later, rushing off to a dinner party.





Edited by Utah Shotgunner (08/25/12 12:40 AM)
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#290214 - 08/22/12 04:41 PM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Looks a bit like a trigger plate action- the safety bar looks a bit like German born but American based (Saginaw, MI) designer Emil Flues work- but that's just a SWAG- very fine workmanship!
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#290219 - 08/22/12 05:17 PM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Note the cocking indicators far back on the top tang. Meffert's Treff action had a similar but removable block which housed the strikers. Can you pleasure us with an image of the top tang?


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#290239 - 08/22/12 07:02 PM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Tell me more about the Treff.
Pictures to follow.
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#290258 - 08/22/12 09:59 PM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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A coupler pics and Raimey seems to have nailed it.













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#290292 - 08/23/12 08:16 AM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Utah:

I assume you are still in Penn? I'll have to run thru my notes, but one will find Mefferts with stamps like Treff DRGM 71381, Hubertus Gewehr 32200, and combinations. I realize yours is a double but I have see more examples adapted to drillings. I haven't found the DRGM just yet but I assume it applies to the metal block that houses what I guess would be called coil hammers. Then the selected coil hammer engages a striker, etc. Some refer to it as a breech battery which is attached to the top tang with the for sure turned screws as seen in your example. Note the cocking dogs activate a common one piece cocker, which is held in readiness with that little spring. The design is supposed to have well regulated, light & crip triggers but as evident by your example & others I've seen someone wanted to get into the mechanism for some reason. Maybe the springs on the coil hammers was broken. I do know that on drillings sometimes the motion of the selector will release the striker on the lower tube. So all has to be in correct working order. If the DRGM 71381 applies to it, the design would originate from the mid to late 1890s and sources give the design was abandoned circa 1929 but I've seen examples dated as late as 1931. Your double dates from post 1912 to 1923. Can you snap an image of the area from the flats forward to the forend lug? The Crossed Cannons Krupp stamp is common on Meffert offerings if Heinrich Ehrhardt's steel stamp isn't present.

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#290312 - 08/23/12 09:49 AM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Raimey,

Nothing forward of the flats except the s/n and the numeral '5' next to the forend lug.

I'll clean the screws up a bit after I finish stripping and cleaning the action.

I disassembled the gun as I could hear something 'moving' in the action. It was the lever for the safety reset which has no spring retaining it in position. Mechanically, all works as it should.
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#290406 - 08/23/12 09:59 PM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Having it this far apart, it made sense to strip it further for a good clean, polish and lube.

Raimey, the fire pins are not identical, so likely a replacement led to the buggered screw.

Since I was taking it apart, I took pictures to share. If I strip it further (unlikely) I'll take more pics.










And finally, what looks to be 90-100 year old pencil markings.
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#290429 - 08/24/12 08:10 AM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Nice detail there Utah. I'm attempting to assemble a Meffert serial number sequence so the number on the buttplate is stamped elsewhere? Yeah, as I said watch that small spring on the saddle as well as the 2 cocking indicators. Approx. what is the trigger pull weight and how's the scear-nose interface? I'll keep searching for the DRGM but little info seems available unless Axel's Shotgun Charlie has some filed. Since you have gone to all this effort, I'll pull the block on a drilling I have.

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#290537 - 08/25/12 12:31 AM Re: Identify a SxS Mechanism [Re: Utah Shotgunner]
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Raimey,

I didn't check pull weight before I pulled it all apart. I'll let you know when I get it back together. (It wasn't heavy enough for me to note it.)

The sear-nose interface is quite pronounced. Pushing on the lever to release the striker with a thumb takes a good bit of effort. More of a 'hook'.

The pivot points on the trigger blades and sear lever obviously assist with the pull weight.







Obviously I pulled it further apart.... laugh

Parts are cleaned of 100 years of gunk. Starting reassembly. The only parts I did not take out were the top lever and locking mechanism. I didn't want to bugger the screw.
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