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My first ten is an 1889 Remington with 30" fluid steel barrels. I bought it the first week I was home from the US Army in 1969. I didn't buy it because it was a ten, but because it was stone mint, brand new and I just couldn't resist the condition. $200 was an astronomical price for such a gun in 1969. My first game with that gun were two groundhogs that had wandered onto the skeet range while I was testfiring with factory 1 5/8 ounce #4s. I didn't realize I was firing at two hogs until the first one dropped, revealing the second one. I pulled both barrels at once because a groundhog is a bit hard to kill with a shotgun. Since then, I have not given up pursuing the ten gauge.
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However the cold hard facts easily explain why the 10ga lost out in the popularity race to the 12. Until you get to heavy loads of large shot, it simply holds no real advantage over the 12. The only cold hard fact is, you are wrong. Perhaps the 10ga you owned and shot would not outperform a 12ga. My experience is pretty extensive and my observation is 180 degrees opposed to yours. A bigger bore performs better. Your 13% formula is still a large difference when it comes to a shotgun. It means the surface area of pellets affected by bore scrub and the height of the shot column being equal for crushing the bottom layers of pellets makes the 10ga with 1 1/4 ounce equal to a 12ga shooting 1 1/8 ounce. I am hoping the original poster is not discouraged by your advice and I hope he notes it is contrary to most eveyone here who has put a 10ga to use on game and clays.
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I pulled both barrels at once because a groundhog is a bit hard to kill with a shotgun. Since then, I have not given up pursuing the ten gauge. I assume you have given up pulling both barrels at once. Gil
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Yeah, that was the last time I did that, but it didn't seem like much of a deal at the time. I was young, poor, and just out of the service. Nothing much hurt back then.
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I did that once myself, simultaneously pulled both triggers of a heavy Spanish 10-bore using max-loaded 3 1/2" shells and #4 buck; making sure in the process to secure my shoulder between a stout oak tree and the gun butt to insure that expected recoil did not knock me flat on my a$$, and with the clarity of 20-20 hind sight a really stupid game plan. But the truth was that I actually didn't/couldn't feel a thing, for when I touched off those big loads, the shoulder wedged against that tree became instantly numb so that I lost my ability to maintain my grip and almost dropped the gun. I'm a lot older now, but not a whole lot smarter, so won't say for a certainty that I wouldn't try that stunt again; but if I ever did get drunk enough for a second attempt, I'd believe I'd scratch the tree.
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Last edited by Craig Larter; 08/15/12 04:23 PM.
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And I can personally attest to the fact that Craig's 10-bore Pigeon is one danged fine gun, and very rare; maybe one of only 5 or 6(?).
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well Yes, a 13% increase in shot load gives 1.27oz versus 1.125oz so actually just over 1Ľoz & likewise as circumference is based on dia & not ia aquared you would get an increase of bor contact of only the 6.3%, so at max range the 10 will always have a "Very Slight" edge over a 12. The point is it is "NOT" astronomical & is probablly beneficial to about 1 shooter out of about every 100 thousand shooters who concentrate only on attaining the absolute maximun range from a shotgun.
Now I have absolutely no way of proving it & I realize you are going to tell me I don't know whereof I speak, but am going to go out on a limb anyway. I will thus say that for every thousand crows you have killed with a tan gauge you could have killed just as cleanly at least 975 of them with a well loaded 12ga.
I shoot shotguns because I enjoy it. Virtually every shotgun I ever shot was "Fun" to shoot & at some point I have shot from a 2˝' .410 to a 3˝ 10ga, I enjoyed them all & each has a place. Being more than 60 years though since I shot my first shotgun, A H&R 28ga single, I will say, there is virtually nothing which can be done with a shotgun, which can't be done with a 12ga while staying within todays laws.
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I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Craig's Ideal ten gives me the shivers. However, mine is bigger than his.
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well Yes, a 13% increase in shot load gives 1.27oz versus 1.125oz so actually just over 1Ľoz & likewise as circumference is based on dia & not ia aquared you would get an increase of bor contact of only the 6.3%, so at max range the 10 will always have a "Very Slight" edge over a 12. The point is it is "NOT" astronomical & is probablly beneficial to about 1 shooter out of about every 100 thousand shooters who concentrate only on attaining the absolute maximun range from a shotgun.
Now I have absolutely no way of proving it & I realize you are going to tell me I don't know whereof I speak, but am going to go out on a limb anyway. I will thus say that for every thousand crows you have killed with a tan gauge you could have killed just as cleanly at least 975 of them with a well loaded 12ga.
I shoot shotguns because I enjoy it. Virtually every shotgun I ever shot was "Fun" to shoot & at some point I have shot from a 2˝' .410 to a 3˝ 10ga, I enjoyed them all & each has a place. Being more than 60 years though since I shot my first shotgun, A H&R 28ga single, I will say, there is virtually nothing which can be done with a shotgun, which can't be done with a 12ga while staying within todays laws. A 1000 crows is pretty close to my latest annual totals. I would say the use of short 10 has allowed me to increase the number of my kills by about 10%, perhaps a little more. One reason for that is I will take shots at birds that are not fully committed or exiting a setup at ranges where I would not take the shot with a standard 12. The 10 not only gives a little performance advantage ballistically it also gives one confidence to take the tall ones. The 12 is always going to be restricted over a 10 due to bore size, it may not be much by diameter and volume but the performance increase in the field is greater than those numbers might suggest. The 12 is always going to be the 10's little brother, saying it can do the same thing a larger bore does is simply wishful thinking or rationalizing one's choice to use a smaller bore. I hope the original poster buys that Lefever and finds out for himself.
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