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Piethe und Didczuhn - Rastenburg




August L�neburg - Kiel

I'm going to make a stab that the above are on J�ger/Bittiner DRP 176578 of 1904 and don't have the advancements of the 1910 design with removable right screw on hingepin under DRP 229521.




J. Novotny retailed Bittiner design under DRP 201505. So indeed the Rekord design under DRP differs in some manner from the original and I would assume the slight difference allowed Carl Bittiner, and possibly Edmund Bittiner to market the model. It may be as stated that it has 20 friction points while the original had less.

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Raimey
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Some encircled H or HK, something on the tubes on the L. Fortenbach of M�nchen.





I'm curious if the mark has a Belgian origin:





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Raimey
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Let me add Gebr�der Oette Hamburg to the list of Franz J�ger retail outlets. This example was sourced from ZM and looks to have a long water table.






Proof date of Oct. 1910 but remember the ZM proof rule change date is given as Sept. 1st, 1911 but sporting weapons were experiencing the modified proof earlier as well as post 1911 examples wear pre-1911 stamps.



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Raimey
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Haven't been able to sort it but it seems that Carl Bittiner filed for the Record trademark as it applies to doubles 06.15.1905 while the Boys at Scholberg filed for Record Acier Special on 04.30.1910?

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20g/a%20gosuin%20pierre%20gb.htm
Pierre Gosuin later E. Leruite


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Raimey
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I'm sure B. Humblet was being sourced for springs and buttplates by Paul Scholberg. He may not have been the only game in town but I'm sure he sold more than his fair share of components.


1928 Advert




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Raimey
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I had posted the following advert prior but really didn't take note of the advertising where Jaeger asks the hunters to consider home-grown sporting weapons.




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Bezugsquellen f�r unsere Fabrikate: Fast alle besseren deutschen und zahlreiche ausl�ndische Waffenhandlungen. We nicht vortreten, wende sich direkt an uns, Preislisten umsonst und portofrei.

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Raimey
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Interesting Englebert Clever hammer DR with Schilling forge tube marks as well as a G/C, which I seem to remember but can't place it.

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Raimey
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Gebrauchsmuster/D.R.G.M. 59,171 - Einsatzh�lse zur Verengung des Gewehrlaufendes Engelbert Clever, K�ln, Kom�dienstrasse, 3. 18.05.1896

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Raimey
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