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David: I don't agree with the premise that, if a fraudulent license were presented or in some other way, a would-be buyer falsely convinced the seller he was properly licensed, that the faux pas would rest with the BUYER. If the seller shipped the gun to a person not properly licensed, the problem would be with the SHIPPER, presumably the seller or his agent; at least the way I read the regs.
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Gil, it is very hard to distiguish the seal on a a copied license to determine if it is real and that I will agree on. But my address that the gun is being shipped to and the address on the license, plus my name on either money order and address on such would be should be enough for the seller.
I don't see how he would be at fault for shipping said gun if license was fake, I think that would fall on me.
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I wouldn't send to someone who's FFL I couldn't verify.
Sorry, it's my tail too.
and, let's be honest, the ATF doesn't go after gangbangers, they go after well made people with money with something to lose.
Just pay the $20 transfer fee at a FFL, everyone is covered.
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"I wouldn't send to someone who's FFL I couldn't verify.
Sorry, it's my tail too."
I think I'm still missing out on something here, how can it be your fault if everything matches and why would the ATF come after you?
If something was erased or written over on the copied license, then I can understand there would be a problem, but again, if everything matched you are doing what the C&R called for.
I do think it is more paranoia, than the legality of it, and why should I pay the fee to an 01, that is the reason I went through the process of getting the C&R so that I wouldn't have to go through one.
Last edited by JDW; 07/03/12 09:56 AM.
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Just pay the $20 transfer fee at a FFL Around here, the cheapest fee is $85.
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I've seen fees as high as $150 and even paid Ivory Beads $75 for a transfer of a gun they were selling to me. From what I gathered on the ATF site, the regulations did not allow for a fee that high.
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I think were veering off course here. The original issue has nothing to do with concealed carry as the discussion is the use and validity of a C&R FFL license.
My position is I will NOT deal with anyone selling a C&R eligible firearm who refuses to ship it to me as a valid C&R licensee. We are just undermining our rights as collectors when we do so.
I know the BATF regulations are convoluted and they apparently have no one on staff that can link two coherent sentences together but that's not an excuse.
Hopefully when we get a change of administration this November we can begin getting some of this corrected.
Jim You are right, Jim- my faux pas- but MI laws state that if you have a valid CCW (as I do) the seller does NOT have to call in the Stevie-Nicks checky-check, that is presumed to have been done when the CCW was issued-- same conundrum as with the pre-1896-97-98 WTFever "Antiques" FFL situation- some out of State dealers think it only applies to Black Powder guns, some think it only applies to rifles and shotguns (aka- shoulder arms) and some don't give a BRA about it, they will ONLY ship to a valid FFL- sort of a CYA scenario-what can you expect with the current "leadership??" from the Disneyworld on the Potomac anyway??
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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I've seen fees as high as $150 and even paid Ivory Beads $75 for a transfer of a gun they were selling to me. From what I gathered on the ATF site, the regulations did not allow for a fee that high. About 6-7 years ago, Ivory Beads told me they really didn't want to do any more out of state transfers but would if I insisted. New fee: $225 IIRC. Jerry just hated all the paperwork associated with bringing in guns from private sellers. Some of the fees are for CA paperwork, I think. One shop we know gets around some of the fee limitations by "renting" you their FFL for $50 to do the transfer, plus the cost of the transfer itself.
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I think I'm still missing out on something here, how can it be your fault if everything matches and why would the ATF come after you?
Ummmmm seriously? on a gun board you have to ask this question????? F troop????????
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Just pay the $20 transfer fee at a FFL Around here, the cheapest fee is $85. that's ridiculous Even if you live in mid-town Manhattan. ETA: I get the feeling you live in Kali. If so there are a LOT of stupid rules around out of state transfers in Kali. that $85 might not be so out of range as I originally thought.
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