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  And Karoly Kiszela also offered sporting weapons like this tabernacle lock. I think that is also a stepped lock variant? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey. I have a 12 ga. made by Emil Kirner but I don't know if they are related.
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Is the name Kerner or Kirner? Kerner is not related to Kirner. Emil Kerner either was a lock designer or was related to a Kerner who was a action/lock designer. I don't know that the Boys Kirner moved outside of the Austro-Hungarian empire.
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Thanks Raimey,it is Emil Kerner & Son on the tubes and a large K on the standing breech just below the barrel ext. Again thanks I missed the spelling.
Rich
Last edited by Rd Show; 05/20/12 08:29 PM.
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Rich, if you get a chance I'd really like to see an image of the form of both of those Ks.
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Marc kindly forwarded an image of a stepped lock version from Tula:  Pyotr Goltyakov - Tula. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 Image from the research effort of Piotr J. Bochynski who kindly forwarded me his articles with much information on the family. Stepped lock pistol of Jakub Ernest Stapf Varsovie or Warsaw who was of the German Stapf family of gunmakers who moved to Poland. It seems that the transfer of technology to the Polish hunters/makers occurred thru a Russian conduit and the terms and ideas are Russian oriented. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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These guns are amazing. They make my wallet hurt
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Raimey, Here are Pictures of the Emil Kerner & Sohns. [img:center]http://  [/img] [img:center]http://  [/img] [img:center]  [/img] [img:center]  [/img] [img:center]  [/img] [img:center] [/img]
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Yes, that is his monogarm. I've seen it many times.
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