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hello dig,
on every sleeved gun i have viewed i have been able to see the join,or perhaps i mentally visualise it.
i have nothing against saving barrels and i have posted favourably on this forum re teague lined guns i have handled.i do understand that process has halted.
my opinion against sleeving is only that and matters little to anyone except me,thought i would share.
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Dig, with "best" sleeving you described are the joints sweated(soldered) or welded or some combination? And the joint is truly undetectable? Sounds vastly better than what I've seen on this side of the pond.
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New tubes are welded in place.
Seams TIG welded.
Exterior surface struck up exactly as a new pair of barrels, with equal care and time spent, and then polished, then best blacked.
The seam is invisible. The barrels are profiled, balanced and weighted perfectly. The original rib is re-laid (unless longer barrels are required).
This is a job totally unlike what you will have seen done in the past. It is only worth doing if the action is of very best quality, otherwise the expense is not worth it.
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I'm well familiar with the reticence to buying sleeved guns. It seems like it's a rogue gene in our DNA that instantly flags a STOP sign in our brain before our eyes have even taken in the actual gun.
But in all fairness, I have to relate the following. I bought a William Powell 12 bore from Jack Dudley in the mid 90's that had knockout wood and "invisibly sleeved" barrels. A terrific gun for under 3K. And I would bet that nobody in the world could make out that it was sleeved. NOBODY. Not only could you not see "the lines" in the barrels, you couldn't even make out a division in the bluing when held up to every angle of light.
So, as much as I am included in the group who have an immediate aversion to sleeved barrels I have to go on the record as to witnessing, yes, an invisible sleeving job.
And I really wish I still had that gun.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. A sleeved gun, especially a high end, like a Woodward is not going to appreciate in value like one with original or replacement barrels. If one is buying the gun for rough hunting, then I say go sleeved, but if one is purchasing a gun for investment purposes, I believe the buyer is much better off going with original or replacement barrels, esp when talking Woodward, Purdey, Boss or Holland and Holland.
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dig,
thanks for the info,i shall lookout for any such guns with interest.
krakow,
the exception that proves the rule!im afraid even with that powell i would be turning in my sleep afraid the line appeared tomorrow.thank you for sharing.
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I think Buzz is right. You'll notice the bbls when you sell the gun. In my experience, if you want a shooter and you don't care about the gun holding its value or appreciating, sleeving is an OK way to go. But then why bother with a sleeved Woodward when you can buy this one: http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/100827180224000How much cheaper will the sleeved on be? OWD
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Remember your starting point - by all means buy a mint gun with original everything. It will be more desirable to everyone - but they won't be able to afford to buy it!
Sleeving is a compromise. It can be a very good compromise.
Very few people can buy guns from retailers and make money on them- I would not recommend laymen to get involved in speculating and making money from buying guns.
Buy what you can afford, buy what you personally like, can shoot and want to own. Buy with some awareness and take advice. I doubt you will lose money in the long term. Keep chopping and changing guns bought retail and you will likely lose money.
Guns hold their value in proportion to where you started. Sure gun with original barrels will be worth more in five years - but it will cost you more now.
If I sleeve the gun it will be affordable and beautiful. If I re-barrel it, it will be beautiful but too expensive. If I can rescue the existing barrels - happy days!
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hello again,
someone has re barrelled the woodward in the link by owd and it is still a very attractive price.and attractive gun.
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