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"Grip-Forend" aka "Rigby latch" (ultra generic term that most all are familiar with).
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Well it does look like that patent #1793 of 1866 is not for a fore-end latch and that D.Dallas used Baker and Crud.'s book as his source rather than the patent book. So who patented the "Grip fore-end"? And please don't refer to the "Shotgun" vol.1
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Justin, there is a possibility that the "abridging" of the patent of 1866, No 1793 that I posted , was responsible for no forend latch being mentioned. Maybe not, though. Mike Petrov had some thoughts a few months ago that he tries to verify everything he reads or hears. That might be a good thing in this case. It is "easy" to copy something someone else has written, sort of trying to make it fact. You mention the possibility of Dallas using the Crudgington and Baker material on this subject . I have seen a couple of times when Crudgington and Baker had errors, confusing one man with another with a similar name. I do not disparage their EPIC work,it is the best there is, but those things can happen, and if copied and repeated they become hard to correct. Keep digging.
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Daryl summed it up. Nothing tells the tale like patents. But Rookhawk was on the money as far as the common name. It is known as a Rigby latch.
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Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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Terry, good one as always. What is the Rigby patent no. ?
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Hi Daryl, there doesn't appear to be a patent no. for the forend latch,only for the Bissel rising bite.
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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I have just received a copy of the full patent application for #1793 of 1866 in charles Harvey's name and there is no mention of a forend latch. What is amusing is in the illustration of his patent the foreend of the gun is included and it is that grip. Funny but not relevant. So,what is that grip called and who patented it?
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Here's an excerpt from a Holt auction catalog. To me it appears the grip forend patent info discussed above was not Harvey's or Rigby's . Harvey's patent does not mention a forend latch, but is for retracting firing pins pat. [1793 of 1866] No Rigby patent for the latch has been found. So what is the Patent number for the "Wilkinsons Patented Lever Forend"?
Sale 1011 Lot 1075
A RARE HARVEY 1866 PATENT 12-BORE ROTARY-UNDERLEVER HAMMERGUN BY WILKINSON & SON, serial no. 6460, No.2, 30in. black powder only damascus barrels (right barrel with dents and wall thickness below recommended minimum), rib engraved 'WILKINSON & SON. GUN MAKERS TO HER MAJESTY, PALL MALL. LONDON.' and with scrollwork at the breech ends, action incorporating Charles Harvey patent retractable strikers, patent no. 1793 of 7th July 1866, use number 148, Jones patent rotary-underlever, rebounding sidelocks with carved hammers, gold-inlaid indicator lines, best border and bold scroll engraving, the standing breech engraved 'WILKINSON'S No. 148 PATENT. 1866.', 14 1/4in. well-figured stock, cracked through and repaired at hand, including chequered steel buttplate, 'Wilkinson's patent Lever Fore End', weight 7lb. 4oz. The makers records show the gun was sold in 1870 Estimate 500-700
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