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Stalking rifle? It's a falling block but stocked like a sporter, not sure of the caliber, didn't get a close enough look.






Barrel address looks like A. LOESCHE, HOFBUCHSENMACHER, MAGDEBURG.



The top of the receiver has LOESCHES PANZERBUCHSE. PANZERBUCHSE translates, according to Wikipedia, as Tank Hunting rifle. Big Game?



Neat rear sight.




Grip safety?


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Most probably this is a rifle intended for hunters, for practising at targets and also for competitions.
The base for a peep sight and the adjustable (and detachable ?)rear sight hint that direction.
Most probably the cartridge will be 8.15x46R. Relatively cheap, components for reloading available, and also suitable for hunting, up to roe deer.
But any other cartridge might be possible, between 5.6x52R (.22 Savage), 8x57 IR, even 9x57R or 9.3x72R.

The first meaning of "Panzer" is "armour", I guess this is marketing to indicate an extra strong action, opposed to break-actions.

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Thanks Fuhrman,

Where's the peep sight base?

thanks, Rob


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Originally Posted By: Recoil Rob
Stalking rifle? It's a falling block but stocked like a sporter, not sure of the caliber, didn't get a close enough look.






Barrel address looks like A. LOESCHE, HOFBUCHSENMACHER, MAGDEBURG.



The top of the receiver has LOESCHES PANZERBUCHSE. PANZERBUCHSE translates, according to Wikipedia, as Tank Hunting rifle. Big Game?-- Tank-- Panzer: Auf Deutsch - following WW1- specifically Col. General (General Oberst) Heinz Guedarian-- 1934 " Die Panzer in Kreig"-- Busche- generic term for guns-- (this is my rifle, this is my gun) a rifle would be Gewehr-- Hunting- Jagd-- or Hunter Jaeger--

The other gentleman has is more to the point- forget Wiki=Pedia and consider this to be a "Extra Proof Gun" as a perhaps more accurate literal translation. RWTF



Neat rear sight.




Grip safety?


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Originally Posted By: Recoil Rob
Thanks Fuhrman,

Where's the peep sight base?

thanks, Rob


Rob,

the rounded block on top of the tang will be the base for an adjustable and detachable peep sight - these sights often are missing nowadays. It makes sense that the normal rear sight is also detachable, either this or the peep is used.
In front of the peep sight base I see something which may be a safety switch. Such rifles often came without any safety - no need for safeties on the target range. Presence of a safety should indicate intentions to take the piece to hunting.
I have never seen a spring-loaded trigger guard / loading lever like this. I think this is intended to hold the lever firmly in place; and it should not be part of a safety.

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Thank you again. Are you familiar with Loesches? Would that have built the entire gun or sourced the action from elswhere?


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Rob,

my knowledge is quite superficial.
I have no detail information on the business of Loesche or others.
But there are some gentlemen here in this forum who are very knowledgeable!
But they will ask for proofmarks etc.
My guess is that certainly the action and probably the whole gun was sourced in Suhl or in Zella-Mehlis.

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I think Fuhrmann to be correct on all accounts and the Zella Sankt Blasii/Mehlis sourced target/sporting weapon possibly being some Bushel variant along the lines of a pirschbuchse was peddled by Waffen Losche of Berlin/Hannover/Magdeburg with firearms merchant Adolf Loesche at the helm. The concern looks to have been a source for fixed blade weapons & I wonder if they conspired with Heinrich Scherping, or vice versa, on the subject.

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Hi Raimey,

Originally Posted By: ellenbr
IThe concern looks to have been a source for fixed blade weapons & I wonder if they conspired with Heinrich Scherping, or vice versa, on the subject.


Hi Raimey,

Well, I don’t think so. Loesche and Scherping were competitors and they were doing business in Hannover in 1930 in different shops:



Info comes from a book “Das jagdliche Schießen” issued by the ADJV in 1930. In the annex is a list of German gun dealers being members of the “Reichsverband Deutscher Büchsenmacher, Waffen- un d Munitionshändler e. V.”

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Here we have it:



From the 1911 ALFA catalog, Adolf Frank Export Gesellschaft

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