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Carl Halbach Aachen, Waffenhandlung

Heinrich M�nch Aachen, B�chsenmacher

Max G. Fischer Berlin, Gewehrfabrik, Prinz Albrechtstra�e(1?)

W. Hamacher D�sseldorf, Waffenhandlung

August Rickelt Dortmund, B�chsenmacher

Wilhelm Lorenzen Flessburg, Waffenhandlung

W. Tornau Halle am Salle B�chsenmacher

Engelbert Clever Nachfolger K�ln am. Rhein Waffenhandlung

August L�neburg Kiel, Waffenhandlung

Karl K�rmes Leipzig, Waffenhandlung

D.(Daniel) A. Nohascheck, Hoflieferant(& Hofschwerteger?/ Schwertfegen Meister ) Mainz

Adolf Loesche Hoflieferant Magdeburg

Gustav G�nther Metz, B�chsenmacher

Josef Dahl Osnabr�ck, B�chsenmacher

Hermann Eichhorn Rustock, HofB�chsenmacher

J. Vogel Strassburg, B�chsenmacher

I think I've spelled the outlets listed in Franz J�ger's 1908 advert correctly.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

O.G. Scherell Berlin Potsdamerstra�e 104 & Delitzsch

J.C. Stahl & Sohn Hamburg

The above were added in a little later advert.

Kind Regards,
Raimey
rse

J. Novotny isn't listed as a F. J�ger and I would assume he sourced directly to Liege and with the Record on the floorplate, it all seems to ring true. Thanks to M-4 for bringing this 1910 J. Novonty peddled examples to my attention.
Cabelas #2202434 - Hammond, Indiana

With the Jen Pro Broky and Prague Nitro proof, I wonder if it was finished in Prague by Novotny's mechanics or if the Nitro proof exposure was required? Also there is a slight difference in the Belgian stamped weight of 1437.3g and the Prague stamped weight of 1433g. Maybe their scales weren't synchronized.












Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Seems there was a DRGM associated with the Simson - Jaeger Verschlu�?




The lockup was also peddled in a hammer version


Piethe und Didczuhn - Rastenburg


Piethe und Didczuhn - Rastenburg




August L�neburg - Kiel


August L�neburg - Kiel

Note the Cat eyes atop the frame M-4.


August L�neburg - Kiel
The mechanics initials GG seem to be a constant on these F. J�ger sporting weapons, GG, encircled GG, jagged encircled GG.


Kind Regards,

Raimey

L. Fortenbach of M�nchen a find by The American on Auction Arms: http://classic.gunauction.com/buy/111903...an-sxs-engraved














Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Hi Raimey,

I can help you finally....that lock-up system is just like on mine, and Ironically there is a article in the same journal which I wrote you about regarding the Steigele.

That lock up system I believe is exactly the one I read about last nite, after emailing you.

It is called a Hercules system. Hercules originallt got the patent for it, It was suppose to be the strongest lock-up system. I will email you that article when I scan the German Gun Collectors article for you.

I am a member, but do not know about permissions to reprint it on the internet, but I can send it to you directly to read it...

Kurt

Raimey,

What were your comments on my L. Fortenbach. Munchen
that I bought?

I just liked the looks of it and the different style of the lock up between the barrels and the breech.

Kurt

Hi Raimey,

What were your thoughts and comments on that L. Fortenbach. Munchen, which I bought because I never saw that type of barrel to breech system?

Hope you are well....

Sincerely
Kurt

Axel, you have a typo here and the DRP is 229521 for 23rd December, 1910, a 1910 Christmas present?

So from the patents:

Austrian Patent 9862 - 1900/1902

DRP 176578 - 1904 - Original Patent
DRP 201505 - 1907 - Bittiner's Improvement w/out frame sides
DRP 229521 - 1910 - J�ger's Improvement with screw on left/right side

We may be able to narrow the date range of manufacture & patent enforcement.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Kurt, your acquisition with the high serial number may have been sourced from J�ger or Simson but I'm curious if it has the removable screw on the right side of the hingepin? Also are there any additional marks near the lower rib on the underside of the tubes, specifically an encircled GG? I would venture a guess of a manufacture date in Suhl post WWI & pre-1923.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse