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James M #263605 02/02/12 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: italiansxs
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Maybe gun rights issues should have a separate forum. If it did, I would not see that as being out of the "mainstream". But we do separate guns for sale from discussions about guns, and IMO that is of benefit to the BB as a whole.


I have no issues with your proposal if you mean a separate area on this forum.
However; I have this identical post on other gun oriented forums without anyone taking issue with it.
Jim


Jim, I don't see how you could have "a separate area on this forum". General Discussion is one forum, Guns For Sale another, Misfires another. What I'm suggesting, as something of a compromise, is that--if there's enough interest in gun rights to warrant its own separate forum, not part of Misfires--then let's have a Gun Rights forum. Maybe you want to start a separate topic on General Discussion, asking the members here whether they think there ought to be a Gun Rights forum. I'm sure Dave will pay close attention, and if there's enough interest, he'll likely create a new forum--just as he created Misfires.

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Sorry for the somewhat late reply.
Kid has had multiple basketball games this week and last night was a late one (one hour drive to and from)…we did secure the win in the last seconds of the game…It was 5 vs 5 vs 2. Last evenings game featured the absolute worst referring I have ever seen! The guys in stripes were total idiots. Highlights were a ball going out of bounds and neither ref witnessed it so no whistle was blown for 5 seconds. Then they had to ask the coaches who should get the throw in. Also, in the last minute of the game a player form the other team was literally taken out by a ref not paying attention to how the play was developing. He basically crushed this poor little girl. There is much more but it’s quickly becoming a rant for the mis-fires forum…;-)

First let me dispel a viscous rumor about me being anti gun.
(I think I just peed my pants I’m laughing so hard….enough said on that topic.)

Second, let me state that I do try to be fair on the board when it comes to moving topics. If I get a request and the thread is a better fit for another predefined forum I typically honor the request.

I don't really put any deep thought into it as I feel you all have access to all the forums and will pick the channel you like most to frequent. If you feel the threads in the mis-fire forum get less play that’s really supply and demand issue.

As in most cases; I am torn as to the appropriate course of action. I see valid points put forth from both sides of the move or no move issue. I will most likely leave this thread alone to run its’ course.

Thank you all for your participation.


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Originally Posted By: italiansxs

Quote from Old Colonel:

"I doubt anyone who frequents this site is anti gun"

You can start doubting right now. This is a typical and well known liberal tactic to disrupt forums like this one.


I feel little need to justify my beliefs or record in defense of our constitutional rights

I once again maintain that we should focus this forum on doubleguns. I further hold that we should let discussions of other than doublegun conversation and closely related subjects elsewhere.

Construct a seperate area that can focus on gun control, politics, black guns, and other junk or simply rename MISFIRES to something that sensitive individuals will not be offending by being placed in


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I'd like to see all political postings put in a seperate place, rather than here. It seems as if anyone says they generally shoot their left barrel more than their right Italian SS labels them a "liberal" and creates yet another conspiracy. Perhaps left barrels should be plugged? Or better yet removed from SxS guns? I care deeply about protecting our gun rights, as I am sure all of the others posting on these forums do. (Except of course for the "Liberal infiltrators" intending to disrupt it). I KNOW beyond doubt what my beliefs are, and how I am going to vote. I am quite fed up with the injection of politics into every single issue. This is a forum for us to discuss double guns, two barrels, one right one left. If you dont like your left barrel, dont shoot it...

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Perfect LD ! Now that is what sanity looks like.


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You're the arbiter, Dave. Managing is making decisions in the face of uncertainty. During the 10 years I've been here, involved in more than a few hot issues, I think if there's any fault on your part it's allowing things to go on too long. A few times, you may have pulled the trigger too soon.

That's a good record of itself. But there's more to it. Your job is to protect the integrity of a board of extraordinary value to members around the world. Nothing should be off limits about how we feel about doubles and the shooting sports environment. Set the standard too high, none will come. Ditto, too low.

I've worked among Americans for many years as an observer. Distinguishing marks of their character are their generosity and good manners. (Primaries are a different place entirely.) "Our" board should reflect that generous spirit of individuality, of tolerance of a wide range of opinions without rudeness, bitterness, spite.

I have no idea of who you are, Dave, of your day job or circumstances, experience in balancing openness and accountability with fairness across such a broad constituency of different cultures and values. I have long experience with similar responsibilities. I want you to know you're doing a good job.

Regards, King




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Originally Posted By: Dave Weber
... First let me dispel a viscous rumor about me being anti gun.
(I think I just peed my pants I’m laughing so hard….enough said on that topic.) ...
Thank you all for your participation.


Thanks Dave. Just for the record, I never thought you fired your left barrel more than the right. grin (thanks for that metaphor Chuck, I was laughing as soon as I saw it)

Regards
Chuck

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Dave Weber I'm going to dispel a couple of items right now.

I have NEVER accused you of being anti-gun. Go back to my original post on Valentines Day at the start of this thread and it's clear I stated that you are playing right into the antis hands when you move a thread such as this one into an obscure area such as Misfires. Since they have no valid arguments to suppot there liberal/socialist position the'll whine on every thread on every forum that posts such as this are just mean spirited politics.
EVERY firearms and militaria collecting forum I'm on has had problems with trolls trying to cause trouble. This forum IMO is no exception and there are anti-gun posters here. They whine constantly and claim any post that's pro gun rights for ALL guns is politically motivated. Well go back and read the article I linked to about the Valentine's day Starbucks anti gun protest and please point out where politics is even mentioned.
The fight to keep our 2nd Amendment right is and has to be a daily one or we'll end up in a situation as unfortunate as Great Britians.
I also want to thank those of you who contacted me privately in support but didn't want to subject themselves to the hateful attempt at public ridicule I have had to endure.
Jim

King: I too agree with your position and I believe that the vast majority of members here are true gentlemen. I don't care if someone disagrees with something I post as long as they are polite. It's when someone like wonko starts to include cursing and derogatory labels in their response that I take exception.

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The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.
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Originally Posted By: King Brown
You're the arbiter, Dave. Managing is making decisions in the face of uncertainty. During the 10 years I've been here, involved in more than a few hot issues, I think if there's any fault on your part it's allowing things to go on too long. A few times, you may have pulled the trigger too soon.

That's a good record of itself. But there's more to it. Your job is to protect the integrity of a board of extraordinary value to members around the world. Nothing should be off limits about how we feel about doubles and the shooting sports environment. Set the standard too high, none will come. Ditto, too low.

I've worked among Americans for many years as an observer. Distinguishing marks of their character are their generosity and good manners. (Primaries are a different place entirely.) "Our" board should reflect that generous spirit of individuality, of tolerance of a wide range of opinions without rudeness, bitterness, spite.

I have no idea of who you are, Dave, of your day job or circumstances, experience in balancing openness and accountability with fairness across such a broad constituency of different cultures and values. I have long experience with similar responsibilities. I want you to know you're doing a good job.

Regards, King


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Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
I'd like to see all political postings put in a seperate place, rather than here. It seems as if anyone says they generally shoot their left barrel more than their right Italian SS labels them a "liberal" and creates yet another conspiracy. Perhaps left barrels should be plugged? Or better yet removed from SxS guns? I care deeply about protecting our gun rights, as I am sure all of the others posting on these forums do. (Except of course for the "Liberal infiltrators" intending to disrupt it). I KNOW beyond doubt what my beliefs are, and how I am going to vote. I am quite fed up with the injection of politics into every single issue. This is a forum for us to discuss double guns, two barrels, one right one left. If you dont like your left barrel, dont shoot it...


+1 also.


The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein
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