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In my opinion, this is a very sorry distortion of logic and completely fabricated problem. You would impose on the entire US of A because you used to stick 2 3/4" shells in a short chamber gun. What exactly is falling apart with the system.

Just commenting on a head scratcher to me, Craig

Normally I'd remain quiet on things like this, but why would we expect competence from the same organization that struggles to deliver the mail?

If you are concerned with the safety of buyers maybe your crusade would be more fruitful if you targeted automobiles instead of guns. I'm quite sure there are untold more deaths due to someone being sold an unsafe car or truck than a gun.

Oh yeah, it was tried on autos. Remember the old state inspection stickers you used to have to get from an approved inspection station and have affixed to your windshield? Even the government realized that was useless, and gave up. At least Georgia did, many years ago.

SRH

We proof them in the courtroom. Ask Remington about the problems with their Model 700 series trigger/safety. Could probably make a pretty good argument our firearms are safer than in proof countries because the manufacturers know their bottom line is going to be effected should their products be proven unsafe. Whereas in proof countries they are taken off the hook by the proof houses.

Yes Craig, I've never understood people like this guy and their distorted logic.......never has made sense to me......

People with this distorted thought process actually think saftey concerns related to stupidity can be legislated out of various consumer products....Their answer to everything is more legislation, more restrictions, more licenses and tax stamps......

Many of our states have embraced strict anti-gun, anti-ammunition legislation attempting to target the minority abusers, but have, in fact, only punished the honest citizen sportsmen and the sporting industries, Mfg./commercial/retail/wholesale.....

The abusers (Buzz's unscrupulous & unethical) will NEVER pattern their operations to accomodate any law, so no matter how many laws are piled on, the desired results will not be accomplished.......We have a very, very long history of legislative oversights showing this to be true, from many industries.....

Somewhere, at some point in this modern world....CONSUMERS must take full responsibility for what they buy USED and operate......WE HAVE BECOME A SOCIETY WHERE EVERYTHING "IS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT".......as an example, to attempt to hold anybody responsible for a product produced prior to WWII is pure rubbish.......If you don't have the knowledge or experience to inspect used products then hire somebody who does......

You guys are killing me with some of these inflammatory remarks. Would it surprise you to know I am a registered Republican and not a Tory as Nial may have indicated? Actually, however, I consider myself a Jeffersonian and believe in the premise that smaller government is best in most situations. But even Thomas Jefferson knew there was a time for larger government as illustrated by (and what some have considered an unconstitutional act) his purchase of the Louisiana Territory from the French. Now, we aren't talking about anything this grand but what we are talking about IMHO is the safety of our citizens who are purchasing guns, most of which are perfectly safe....a few are not, but rather quite dangerous. What sort of checks and balances do we have in this country to insure these guns whose barrels have been altered in some way (such as barrel honing, opening of chambers, etc) are safe? How do we know if a pro did the work or some clown in his garage with a brake hone? Well, let me tell you...we don't and the average joe on the street doesn't know jack sh*t about it and is rolling the dice when purchasing an altered gun. We can and should do better than this IMHO.

You do Jefferson a disservice by comparing the Louisiana Purchase to the government having greater control over the sales of used firearms. One was the acquisition of more land which was THEN given to the citizens to settle and develop, and TO DO WITH AS THEY PLEASED. The other is giving away freedoms and abrogating responsibility.

Where will it end, buzz? Don't you know that the anti-gun crowd would be on this like white on rice if a bill was ever introduced to institute something like you propose?

When you give away freedoms you never get them back. It's your right to advocate such a thing, but it is mine to fight it tooth, claw and nail 'til my dying breath.

SRH

Proof testing vintage guns only proves that the gun didn't blow when tested...

Send a vintage gun to an English Proof House and ask for some kind of guarantee.

How much unnecessary strain does the high pressure proof test put on a vintage gun ?

I think one point you have missed is that the Proof House here in Britain is nothing to do with the Government; they didn't set it up, it was the Gunmakers themselves in order to protect their products and the public from poorly made guns being sold. It works quite well and the cost is a fraction over �20 per gun which is not that much when added to the cost of a new Purdey costing �60,000. America got around it by having their own in-house testing in the larger establishments such as Winchester but what happened in the smaller places is anyone's guess so the way they got around this is by over engineering the product. By having Proof regulations here the Gunmakers can build a gun light and well balanced that will pass proof knowing it is safe to use. Personally I like the system because it protects me. If someone sells an 'out of proof' gun here it is one of the Proof Houses that take up the prosecution. It is all run by Guardians of the Proof House who are practical Gunmakers and not a bunch of Whitehall Civil Servants. If you set one up in the U.S. that was purely optional I'm sure it would get a lot of use. Lagopus.....

SIMPLE: Never Ever buy altered guns that have visited a barrel butcher......measure everything........product knowledge......

As an EXAMPLE, I've never bought a gun that has had even a recoil pad added, ever....never will.........zero interest in guns with other owner's modifications of any kind.......too many good originals around, why buy the butchered ones.....