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Originally Posted By: Ben Thayer
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Re guns sleeved by Merrington . . . I don't think there's much question that he does good work. But he also does not stamp them "sleeved". Good work + not marked sleeved can = potential deception down the line, when the current owner parts company with the gun. If a gun is sleeved, especially "invisibly" so, it ought to be marked sleeved. As required by the proof laws in the UK.


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I couldn't agree with Larry's sentiment on this issue more.


If that's the case, y'all should take up a collection and send me and my guns to the London proof house, I'll take pictures. LVI, Philly, and Newark are the most convenient airfields for me.

Thanks!


Not quite sure how that pertains to the question at hand, Ben. If an American gunsmith sleeves a gun, why shouldn't he then mark it "sleeved"--since that's the standard in the country where the practice was invented, and since it will lessen the possibility of fraud, when the gun is sold at some later date?

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: Ben Thayer
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Re guns sleeved by Merrington . . . I don't think there's much question that he does good work. But he also does not stamp them "sleeved". Good work + not marked sleeved can = potential deception down the line, when the current owner parts company with the gun. If a gun is sleeved, especially "invisibly" so, it ought to be marked sleeved. As required by the proof laws in the UK.


Originally Posted By: buzz
I couldn't agree with Larry's sentiment on this issue more.


If that's the case, y'all should take up a collection and send me and my guns to the London proof house, I'll take pictures. LVI, Philly, and Newark are the most convenient airfields for me.

Thanks!


Not quite sure how that pertains to the question at hand, Ben. If an American gunsmith sleeves a gun, why shouldn't he then mark it "sleeved"--since that's the standard in the country where the practice was invented, and since it will lessen the possibility of fraud, when the gun is sold at some later date?


Between this and the proof house thread you sound like a jilted lover or remorseful buyer laugh

Different steels polish and rust differently, while the joint may be indiscernible, in good light, the different steels are. To make a sleeved gun truly fraud-able requires an additional step or two wink My humble sidelock would hardly be worth the effort being it has the dreaded single trigger that only functions perfectly when I hand it to someone. The damascus flats are a dead giveaway on the old gun.

Sleeving my guns made them safer, not less so. If you are inferring that by not stamping the barrels that I am attempting to deceive someone, I take exception to your remarks and demand fisticuffs or axe handles (your choice) as means of satisfaction, as my reputation is surely less tarnished than yours.

Should I ever decide to submit the guns for re-proof I'll be glad to have the flats stamped SLEEVED Until then, the guns are in America, and owned by an honest, law abiding American. I feel no compulsion to submit to any Crown or Company of Gunmakers. We fought a war to end that crap over 200 years ago.


Jim

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Not jilted or remorseful at all. I've owned two sleevers, both Brit, and both PROPERLY MARKED as sleeved. Falls in the same category as any other significant modification to the gun. You lengthen chambers, then stamp the @#$%^% gun that it's now 2 3/4" vs 2 1/2", or 3" vs 2 3/4". Why are people afraid to tell the truth? Shotguns, if properly cared for, will outlive their current owners. Somewhere down the line, the next owner may be less scrupulous, or the next buyer less knowledgeable and less likely to spot a sleeved gun. You're mixing two threads here, but no need to submit it to anyone under our current system in this country. Appropriately marking whatever modification was made means that there's no misunderstanding about what's been done to the gun.

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