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#234813 - 07/07/11 05:44 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
Dave in Maine Offline
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You should make a point of including pics/dimensions of the chamber cast, too, I would think.
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#235440 - 07/13/11 07:27 AM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Jim,

regarding the use of smokeless powders instead of black powder I just found this discussion:

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7793

You might find this of interest.

Fuhrmann

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#235467 - 07/13/11 12:05 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Thanks Fuhrman:
I will look at it.
Jim
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#245412 - 09/26/11 06:11 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
Frank F Offline
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I have almost the exact rifle. Do you have any idea what it's valued at?
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#249154 - 10/24/11 02:43 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: Frank F]
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Ballpark as there's not much to compare to $3,000. If anyone else has others ideas please post them.
Jim
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#302743 - 12/02/12 06:24 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Interesting Springer #2768 hammer 9mm single shot with "J. SPRINGER IN WIEN STOCK IM EISEN N5" behind the ocular that was up for auction today. What is interesting is the phrase "Stock Im Eisen-Platz N5", which I think to be his address, notes a tree trunk(some Hemlock or Spruce variant) where members of a guild(I'm taking a little liberty here and attach the gunmaker's guild in that on their walkabout) would hammer a nail into the tree for good luck. This was a common practice for journeymen in Hungary, Romania and other locations within the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Remember that Johann Springer was from Upper Hungary while his master(& brother-in-law) Mathias Novonty was from Hradec Kralove, so could you image finding similar tree trunks where the greats passed and adding their good fortune nails?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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#547699 - 06/05/19 10:50 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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I realize it is an old thread, but were any enroads made to develop a smokeless load for the 10X60R/400? I have cobbled together some brass with a 9,3X74R parent headstamp & thought about using Pyrodex? Anyway, I am poised to head down this path.


Cheers,

Raimey
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#547734 - 06/06/19 09:04 AM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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A case full(9,3X74R parent headstamp) of Hodgon Pyrodex RS/FFG Eq. measures almost exactly 50 grains; well measures 50 grains exactly one might say. I have read that the 50 grains possibly was the original load? Has anyone ignited 50 grains of Pryrodex RS in a 400 3/8" Express(10X60R/400 - 10X60R Hunting)?

Cheers,

Raimey
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#547738 - 06/06/19 09:45 AM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: ellenbr]
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Raimey

some years ago I checked options for reloading the 11.2 x 51 R Kropatschek-Heissig with BP subsitutes.
One idea was using Pyrodex, but after reading that it shall be as corrosive as regular BP I abandoned that idea.

I worked up a load using SR4759.

Another option I tried is 4198 as described by Ross Seyfried: 40% of the BP weight, plus Dacron as filler.

fuhrmann

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#547760 - 06/06/19 02:26 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Any idea of what the velocity should approach? Or should I load some BP and/or Pyrodex and empirically measure the velocity?

I would rather migrate to a VV powder designation.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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