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#232436 - 06/15/11 11:25 AM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Maybe some lubricant as they are tough to convince to motion. Sometimes the device is seen on weapons with multi-tubesets but changing would seem to be slow. The bar of the "T" in the circular hole is supposed to drop in the well so maybe a small amount of downward force there while the top of the "T" will be perpendicular to the tubeset. But when the "T" bar comes into battery, it is a snap and a pretty tight fit.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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#232438 - 06/15/11 12:11 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: ellenbr]
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Originally Posted By: ellenbr
pwm:
Nice bit of info. Yeah, the round could have been developed between 1900 & 1910 and may have paralled the Gründig version?

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Raimey
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yes, amazing paralell to the 10,75x52 R Gründig, in any case a full power nitro cartridge you will find in a strong break action only. Harald wolf had told me that the Springer Double Rifle he had in his hands was made from Francotte. I dont had such a DR in my hands till now but with a little bit more time I can probably find the gentleman the custum ammo was made for.
started a research on nitroexpress once to learn more about this cartridge, someone may know it
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=147203&an=0&page=0#Post147203

"I've just miked the barrels and I'm getting just under 11mm at the bore and just under 12mm at the chamber end."

sounds more like a 11,15x52R LK to me, 11mm barrel diameter is small but we will see what sluging and chamber casting will show

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#232440 - 06/15/11 12:18 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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LK, that has been a hot topic as of late. Finding another J. Springer/A. Francotte would be just lovely, specifically if it has the unique wood to tubeset latch. Are we sure of the chamber length, 52mm?

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Raimey
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#232444 - 06/15/11 01:07 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: ellenbr]
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Raimey:
I sprayed some Gunscrubber around the tee piece and then tried tapping on the round end with a piece of dowel and a hammer. It finally opened!! I think the main problem was congealed grease. It's probably been a long while since this gun was last maintained.
I really appreciate the help and information I'm getting here. After I do a chamber cast I'd like to try and round up some ammunition. This gun is too nice not to shoot. I'll take and post some pictures as soon as I can.
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#232445 - 06/15/11 01:17 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, pleasure us with some images of the marks and of the device itself. Like I said, the device just doesn't like to conform to motion.


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Raimey
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#232446 - 06/15/11 01:49 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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I wonder if Franz Denk of Wien peddled clocks also or was it possibly his father: http://www.artnet.com/artwork/426055449/...aterndluhr.html

It must have been his father, or relative, who just may have been a master clock maker( Bürgerlicher Uhrmacher? ) from 1795 to the mid 1820s. Most of the clocks with Franz Denk's name are in the 1820s.

An interesting stamp atop this Franz Denk of Wien peddled example:
"FRANZ DENK IN WIEN K. u. K. .... LITÄR SCHIESSSTÄTTE"(his shooting grounds or school???)

http://www.dorotheum.com/en/auction-deta...-denk-wien.html

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

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#232497 - 06/15/11 08:09 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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...LITÄR ... MILITÄR? so maybe Military Shooting Range?

With kind regards,
Jani

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#232504 - 06/15/11 09:08 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: montenegrin]
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Jani:
I'm afraid I don't understand your post.
Jim
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#232507 - 06/15/11 09:28 PM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Jani:
I assume they can read German and the phrase to be: "LITÄR SCHIESSSTÄTTE" as listed. Maybe Franz Denk had a firing range?? But I had not known that Franz Denk to receive a royal warrant, nor have I seem him listed yet.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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#232555 - 06/16/11 08:54 AM Re: Joh Springer in Wein [Re: James M]
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Geno:

I noticed that credit was attributed to you for the early Auguste Francotte images of a double. Do you know if it was from the mid 1860s? There doesn't appear to be a serial number nor a patent number associated with the forend attachment, unless the T handle is really worn. I wonder who Auguste Francotte's frame source or frame filer might have been.

Did not the use of rebounding hammers commence circa 1867?

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/art...chasse%20gb.htm







Kind Regards,

Raimey
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