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I assume fullandfuller's 26MM and DrBob's 1.012 are the same as most people's 1" pin separation. I further assume that fullandfuller's 29MM and 29.5MM measurements are the common 1 1/8" separation as measured by most people. We still have five different PS if we include Miller's "about 1 1/16" measurement. Bar and breech ball measurements are apparently all over the map on Lefevers. The reason the survey didn't go to completion with an eight gauge, my light ten, and XX frames is that the forum was deleted while the survey was being conducted and was lost to those who did not print the thread.

Thank you Bill

Patrick

You're very welcome, Patrick. If you need more of the survey, let me know, but I posted about all that is useful. The thread copied at seven pages and was very interesting except for the fact that it was interrupted. By the way, for the information of those who do not know, the 1.00" is equivalent to a 0 frame Parker. The 1 1/8" is equivalent to the 1 1/2 and 2 frame Parker. The big ten Lefever frame pin separation is between a 3 and a 4 frame Parker. I CORRECTED THE PIN SEPARATION ON THE BIG FRAME FROM 1 7/16 TO 1 7/32 WHICH IS CORRECT.

I will add that the 1 1/8" pin separation on Patrick's little frame is the same as the separation on my ten gauge sidecocker. This is not hard to believe since hundreds if not thousands of ten gauge Parkers were made on the #2 frame which has the identical pin separation, and at least one ten gauge Parker has been studied which was made on the #1 frame which has a pin separation of 1 1/16". I wouldn't shoot that gun, but someone has and it is still intact.

8-Bore;
I was quoting that 1 1/16" from memory from back when this topic was on the Lefever forum. I did just go & pull it out & re-checked it though. I didn't get precise but just layed a 6" machinist scale acroos the pins & that measurement is spot on, whether I check center to center of the pins or from same sides of the pin holes in breech. Height of the breech from flats to top is 1 1/8" & width of breech is 2 1/8", or twice the pin spacing. Many guns, including some of my other Lefevers, will have a pin spacing of less than half the breech width.

Thanks, Miller. I guess that 1 1/16" PS adds another example to the mix. Can someone measure some XX frames and an eight gauge or two?

8-bore;
In spite of its 6 3/4 lb weight this 16 is on an XX frame. I had come to the conclusion the XX denoted a frame with a narrower bar width as this one is narrower than all my others which except for the big 10 have bars of essentially the same width. However I have since heard of a 12 ga having the same narrower bar as this XX 16 which did not have the XX mark.

Patrick, I haven't visited in a few days and saw your thread. I thought I would add.... I have a LeFever with the exact measurements as your receiver. 1 1/8" x 2 1/4". Mine is an F grade , 12xxx serial, rod cocker, pivot lever, 12 gauge with 30"barrels. Weighs 7 lbs. 4oz. Would this be considered a "light twelve"? Hope this helps you.

all the best, Robert.

All this posting about the double XX light frame mark on the Lefevers brings to mind a question I've had for years. I have a Philly Fox Sterlingworth 12 with a XX mark on the action flats that looks just like the Lefever small frame mark. Anybody know what it might mean?...Geo

Thank you Robert,
Your sample and what Bill provided earlier is what I needed to confirm this is a 12 gauge. If this was a 16 gauge I was going to try to find some barrels. I have way to many 12 gauge projects already so this one will find a new home.

thanks again
Patrick