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Big deal 1 gun that fails proof and you make all this fuss. Just send it out for sleeving and forget it.
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I've also heard from friends in trade that they have heard of more problems recently. This isn't just a blip...something appears to have changed in the processs..
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You wouldn't have a vested interest in giving that answer would you John? besides, if my gun were the only one, I would not be as concerned that there was a particular issue. Numerous reports such as there are raises questions. I'm just asking questions.
The "don't wash our dirty linen in public" approach is typical of the gun trade. Keep it quiet, don't explain anything, don't take responsibility and wait for the problem to go away. Until next time.
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Stop sending the old war horses in...
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Sidelock
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I do not think that this thread is now going anywhere.
Should the problem that does exist be resolved, I will update you all.
Until that time I will refrain from posting.
For John Foster to make such a ridiculous statement as he has obviously shows that he could not care less about valuable guns being damaged, sometimes beyond repair.
I find that attitude very poor.
The original poster only started this thread to make people aware of possible problems and many of us have only posted to share knowledge and experiences.
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A good number of folks in the US do send their British guns back for re-proof. While I am not personally in that category, I do applaud those who have brought this to our attention.
Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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How could I have a vested interest?? You have 1 gun failed proof. It is proved unsafe to shoot that is what the proof house is for. They have saved some one from blowing their hands or face off. The gun now needs to be repaired and reproofed. So have it sleeved.
All the other guns that have failed proof are just hear say. I haven't heared of any failing and there are few people that put more guns into proof than me.
Salopain, You have it wrong, a gun that requires reproof is NOT a valuble gun it is a potential sleever and it is valued accordingly. You still have not sent me a PM with your ID and gun trade qualifications.
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As it is The Gun Trade Asosiation AGM in May ,to which I assume that all the British correspondents are members. Can I ask has the GTA been askeked to mediate on your behalf? Has the GTA been aproched and this matter put on the agenda for disscusion? If not why not.
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Gunman, That's what I asked but these 5 minute wonders who think they know about the gun trade will not answer my questions. They seem to be all blow and no go. If we submit good quality workmanship to the proof house it will pass. Only the junk fails and so it should.
John Foster
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As a PS I am like most people In the British gun trade concerned with the problem and agree whole heartedly that a solution needs to be found.
But , this is our problem and endless discusion on an American web site is not the answer. Discussion within the British Trade and investigation by the Proof Houses is what is needed . If indeed London is "blowing up barrels " then use Birmingham as they do not seem to have the same problem.
I say again this is a British problem ,washing our dirty linen in public is not going to help. gunman, with the greatest of respect, I'd disagree. This is an international forum populated primarily with people who care deeply about British made guns - many of us consider them an international treasure and wish to give them the most sympathetic use and care possible. Some here are deeply interested in gun technology, including the various proof systems. It is my understanding that proof failures are uncommon due to the requirements for pre-submission prepration; a failure in testing usually means something in the preparation-viewing-firing schedule went wrong. When the failure is limited to one specific type, bulges in front of the chokes, one suspects a process failure rather than a speciman failure. Safety system process failures are alarmingandrequire an explaination rather than an "All clear!" Yes, I do "peek at the works." I am unabashadly interested!! And,by the way,I do know a bit about testing. All said in the spirit of comradship and with all due respect. 
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