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If it were me, the only reason I'd care to know deeply as to what happened to the barrel would be for purposes of litigation.

If I wanted to litigate, I would not go to a metalurgist or any other seemingly qualified person because a good defense attorney will disqualify them if they are clever enough.

Tell your friend to lookup up the London Proof House. (worshipful company of gun makers...I think that's the full name) They do post mortems on failed guns and their opinion would be irrefutable by comparison to an American metalurgy expert.

The unfortunate thing about Turkish guns is that their proof laws carry no real weight. They are not a CIP recognized country. (CIP is the international proof standards consortium by which most of Europe abides)

I will post clearer and more detailed pictures, Thanks for the unbelievable help, you wont believe that a closely related party in a renowned personal injury lawyer that will help him.

PDD

Before I'd send the gun anywhere or let it out of my sight, I'd consult an attorney, a good PL one. The defendants have a right to examine any evidence used against them. While the London Proof House may be a great resource, it may not be practicable for a U.S. tort case.

Tommy Malone, I presume...Geo

Mike, do you still have that Darne as an example of a horrible trigger pull? I've played with some Turks in serious need of work, but that Frenchie may have been the world champ!

Further to my earlier post on this failure. Should you decide to proceed with legal action, your lawyer would be well advised to review the case of Woodburn v Newnham and Co. This case was heard and tried by jury in the British law courts, November 19,20&21, 1929. This case refers to a failure of a gun that exhibited a longtitudinal barrel failure very similar to that illustrated in this post;with injuries resulting to the user.This was a complex case with expert witnesses being called both from the Birmingham maker of the gun;[Newnham being a retailer] and the Birmingham proof master;the gun having past proof test at Birmingham. Burrard was called as an expert witness for the plaintiff.Burrards,Photo Micrographs of the barrel, showed a longtitudinal seam in the barrel material.The defence alleged that the failure was caused by some type of barrel obstruction. The jury on a majority decision found for the defendant!

Barrels look horribly thin to me. Just as a note, a brand new shotgun for $450? Is that normal over there? That would be like �299 and I can't get anything over here. Even then (really good) Turkish Yildiz .410's , of which I bought one for my son last year, are �500 ($750). I can't see how anyone can produce anything of quality for $440!!

T

(PS. I don't know the US market though so it is a UK mans observation. I hope your friend gets advice on this).

Just for the record here; I have a Tristar O/U in 16ga that I've never fired as I just took it in trade and intend to resell it. However; This example was made in Spain not Turkey. As near as I can tell the barrels appear to be of reasonable thickness.
Jim

"Tell your friend to lookup up the London Proof House. (worshipful company of gun makers...I think that's the full name) They do post mortems on failed guns and their opinion would be irrefutable by comparison to an American metalurgy expert. "

I'm not an attorney but even I know that the litigation would be subject to the Laws of the Country in which the failure occurred and to say an opinion by the Proof House would be irrefutable is folly. If you want to even have chance you will need a failure analysis with all the bells and whistles with academic credentials to back up the analysis, and that is a Metallurgist usually connected to a University. I haven't participated in a lot of this type of litigation but have conducted a LOT of failure analysis in the Nuclear Power Industry.-Dick

I'm with Dick on this. Sending it halfway around the world, the chain of custody would be questioned, the ability of the defendant to review the test methods and interview the experts that performed the tests, etc., would be impractical. If it were a London proofed gun and the litigation was for enormous money, that could pay for these expenses,... maybe. The tip of a finger on the average Joe, using a gun never proofed in London and maybe not worth the proof fees...I don't think so. If it were Brad Pitt's finger tip, it might happen, but Brad Pitt wouldn't be caught with a Tri-Star.