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#215824 - 02/02/11 03:27 PM need help identifying Drilling
Quikz28 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/11
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so recently i picked up this drilling, i believe it is german

the name on the barrel says A.Schuler.Ludwigshafen
is this a known maker of drillings?
its a SxS hammer gun with 16 gauge SxS shotgun and a 9x3m.. rifle underneath.

ill try to post pics up when i get a chance. im trying to find out what year it was made and how much it is worth?

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#215827 - 02/02/11 03:44 PM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
Quikz28 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/11
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here are a couple pics, sorry they are kinda blury



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#215828 - 02/02/11 03:54 PM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
Quikz28 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/11
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the proof marks that are underneath the barrel include a N, S, U all with crowns over them, on each barrel there is Nitro Stamped into it, as well as various numbers underneath

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#215845 - 02/02/11 06:25 PM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
montenegrin Offline
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Loc: Slovenia
A nice one!
Schuler was a retailer probably, and his name is signed on a couple of other 'triplets'.
I would date it to the early 1900s but for more specific dating you would have to be less secretive about "various numbers".

With kind regards,
Jani


Edited by montenegrin (02/04/11 12:03 PM)
Edit Reason: wrong spelling

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#215970 - 02/03/11 08:51 PM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
Quikz28 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/11
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ill try to get the numbers tomorrow

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#216003 - 02/04/11 08:34 AM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
ellenbr Offline
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I assume the NITRO stamp is script? Also I'll guess that there are the initials SS on the underside of the tubes of the Henri Roux type action. I'd say it was sourced from the Zella-Mehlis area, post 1911. If so, it will have a date stamp as well as a ledger number, a monthly number of proof noted by Axel E early on in his research. It should also have a pre-rifled diameter in mm. I remember a Schüler from that area but can't say if he was the same or related to August Schüler of Suhl.

Kind Regards,

Raimey

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#216030 - 02/04/11 11:50 AM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
kuduae Offline
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Registered: 01/02/11
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A.Schuler (without Umlaut ü!), Ludwigstr.18 in Ludwigshafen was not related to the dozen or so Suhl Schülers (with Umlaut ü). Schuler was listed from 1879 as a wholeseller and retailshop for hunting arms, ammo and military smallarms. So he certainly did not make this hammer drilling, but bought it in from a specialised maker in Suhl or Zella-Mehlis for retail. The proofmarks, numbers and other markings may tell us more. The other drilling retailed by A.Schuler is here: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=195753&page=2


Edited by kuduae (02/04/11 11:58 AM)

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#218971 - 02/22/11 02:46 PM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
Rookhawk Offline
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I'm skeptical that this gun is circa 1911 considering it is a hammer gun, underlever with rebounding hammers.

I'm going to wager 1896-1906 on this one. Looking forward to the additional info and proof marks so we can better estimate it.

It looks like a great gun!

Raimey, isn't a Henri Roux action indicative of a rounded boxlock with internal hammers and an underlever? Whereas this gun appears to be a back-action hammergun with an underlever of a different sort. And what is the top lever used for on this gun?

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#218982 - 02/22/11 03:14 PM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
ellenbr Offline
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The Roux is a big can of worms that has been opened as of late and info indicates that it was an advancement by a Jacques Roux of Belgium( http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20q%20r/a%20roux%20jacques%20gb.htm ) on the Lefaucheux locking. The the Purdey twin underbolt was added but the name remained. So in short, one would have to a quite old single lockin underlever for it to be a true J. Roux action. Perhaps Axel will spin the yarn for us.

Kind Regards

Raimey

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#219091 - 02/23/11 10:48 AM Re: need help identifying Drilling [Re: Quikz28]
montenegrin Offline
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Rookhawk, the top lever on this triple gun is used as a barrel selector - shotgun vs. rifle.

With kind regards,
Jani

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