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Thanks, guys, makes sense but the only thing I can't figure out why the deep grove? The 4 wings are only 1/10th inch wide and the band in front of the grove is just smaller than the wings. Maybe the band in front of the groove is land size and the wings groove size? I still need to get the cerrosafe from my brother to at least cast something so it is easier to measure. Sure is an odd looking bullet. This came in a lot of 10 English molds I just bought, the owner did not know what it was for either.

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Originally Posted By: GDavidson
This came in a lot of 10 English molds I just bought, the owner did not know what it was for either.


Gary,
Any molds for 10 or 12 bore rifle in that lot?

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Yes, there is a very large brass 12 Bore conical with 3 grease groves and I also have a steel Alex Henry 12 Bore conical with 3 grease groves made for a brass case rifle. No 10 Bores, many .450's and a .577 conical and 3 .500's. None for sale yet. Might have some more coming in next month.

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Do also get that mould warmed up to operating temperature and cast some bullets out of lead/tin alloy.
That one groove is for grease, just like a proper paradox bullet.


Originally Posted By: GDavidson
I still need to get the cerrosafe from my brother to at least cast something so it is easier to measure...



A cerrosafe casting will likely be misleading.
What's important is what size of bullet it throws in a proper bullet casting alloy.


Is there a 16-bore or 20-bore bullet mould in the pile?





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Hi Tinker, no 16 or 20 bore molds, although I might have some next month, just don't know what is available yet on a bunch I am looking at. I think you are right that it is a grease groove, but Paradox bullets used no grease in the groove, the groove was for displaced lead when the heavy rifling was hit at the end of the barrels. I have shot different 8 Bore rifles and 8 Bore paradox guns and with similar weight of charge, bullet and rifle, the paradox guns seem to have lighter recoil. Neat guns, wish I still had one, can't afford one now! Take care!

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Gary-


I hear you on the nitro/cordite paradox detail.
This could really be anything, and I suspect it's for a muzzle loading rifle.
That would be a good bit of grease for a ~.56 caliber black powder rifle.

I will look forward to seeing if you come across a 20bore (.625) or a 16bore mould.
One of my 16bore cartridge rifles has groove dimensions closer to 14bore (built for the thin brass case...)





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Tinker, will let you know what is available as soon as I hear from the seller, might be after new years. My brother used to have an Alex Henry 20 bore rifle and I had the next consecutive serial number Henry in .577 3". Both made for the Maharaja of Patiallah in 1874. Sold both of them, dang it! I also had a 16 bore Lancaster double rifle made for the Maharaja of Bulrampoor in 1876, cased with 16 accessories. Sold it too and wished I had it back.
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Thanks Gary-


The smaller bore-rifles are just wonderful.
Two of mine are built relatively light for thin-skinned game, one of them (a 16bore) runs big powder charges and long thin brass cases.
I'll look forward to anything you come up with. Note I've pinged your email account with a note on this topic too.





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