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Take a close look at your lock when the hammer is in the down postion. I bet you'll see the letters "IB", for Joseph Brazier, between the arms of the spring. There are not many locks better than a Brazier. The 2 sets I've had have piercings exactly like the one on your bridle plate.

To answer Obsessed with Doubles question. We use old used Industrial cartridge cases. Fiocchi, Federal, Winchester and Remington all make them. They are used in a special gun and shoot 3 ounce solid slugs and are used to descale lime kilns and such like. I get mine from a local lime works and they use them by the thousand. I prefer the Remington ones but they have now switched to Winchester. I had a special die made to re-size the heads as they have a step in to stop them being inadvertently loaded into a sporting gun and fired with the slug with disasterous results. Load as normal and finish with a roll crimp.

If you want some fired Winchester cases and are willing to collect them from Derbyshire I will gladly let you have a load of them. Lagopus.....

Lagopus-

Thanks for the info. Do they shoot the inside of the kilns? I want that job.

And do you have any idea where I can buy a copy of Douglas Macdougall's book on 8 bores? Do you know the complete title?

Thanks again,

OWD

Spot on - the locks are indeed Ashe and Brazier as I checked this when the locks were off. A few more pics of them if you are interested. Those chaps in the 19th century were certainly craftsmen!





Because Eley stopped making 8 bore cartridges in 1976, reloading is the only realistic option now. As mentioned, Alan Myers does load and sell, but as �5/$8 per shot for non-toxic (ITM), it is not cheap . Still, it is not as if I fire many cartridges in a seasons wildfowling!

Beautiful fences.

Check out this site for some info on locks:

http://www.muzzleloaders-etcetera.com/overview_of_locks.htm


OWD

Do I get credit for the photos?

You do - definitely a career as a hand model if ever you want to moonlight

Obsessed with Doubles; sorry about the slow reply as I have been busy working the dogs on shoots - out again tomorrow. Those kilns are shot up but via a port in the side, the gun used is not a very conventional thing at all but I understand Winchester did make a single barrel gun that looked like the model 37 for this purpose.

Douglass McDougall (now deceased) wrote three books on 8 bore loading, plus some others on wildfowling in general. The 8 bore books are; 8 Bore Guns and their Cartridges written in 1979; More 8 Bore Loads written in 1981 (both paperback) and a hardback edition which combined them both with a small addition called 8 Bore Ammunition written in 1985. I have them all but they are now very scarce. Lagopus.....

Lagopus-

Thanks for the info. I ordered one of them from a dealer over here. I'm not sure which one. I'll see when it shows up.

Which issue os the Shooting Times had the article you mentioned? I may be able to find a copy on Ebay.

And how is the snowy weather effecting the shooting?



OWD

Hello Gregg. The snow and cold temperatures have had a major impact over here, with Scotland now in the midst of a cold-weather wildfowling/wader shooting ban and England not far off it if things continue. There are quite prescriptive rules here, primarily designed to ease shooting pressure on vulnerable species, although the wildfowling forum I am on has generally positive reports on wildfowl condition presently from around the UK. And of course, a wildfowling ban does not in any way prevent disturbance from others (dog walkers being a notable issue in some areas here).

However, an sportsman worth his salt will exercise volumtary restraint in these conditions and as soon as signs indicate birds are struggling, should hang up their guns.

So it could be several weeks before I get a chance to take the Paton on the marshes!