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You feel confident that 1 example of a #1 fitting on a #1/2 is enough to be sure they are all close enough?
If there is a 1/16" difference in firing pin centers between a #1 and #1/2 then even if the barrels fit the firing pins will not be striking the center of the primers. Will it work? Probably. Is it a righteous in the eyes of Charles Parker? No.
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GregSY,
Distance between strikers of 1/2 and 1 frames is the same (1 1/16").
DAM16SXS,
Is this PGCA 2002 list definitive? Where is left M.MacIntosh or your estimate of low hundreds of Parker 1/2 frames.
Last edited by ejsxs; 06/30/10 11:13 AM.
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That chart shows there to be a 1/16 difference in pin location.
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ejsxs,
The estimate I read of as many as 250 1/2 frames was an extrapolated figure based on known guns.
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GregSy, good catch. The chart is in fact INCORRECT. It is incorrect on nearly all entries. You caught it and I made a comment on the PGCA site about the error. The correct pin separations are on page 527 of The Parker Story. There are several errors in Remington charts and memos about Parker shotguns. This is one of them. The #1 and the #1/2 frames in fact have identical pin separations at 1 1/16". An actual Parker Brothers memo states that #1 frame barrels are to be used on #1/2 frame guns.
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Ejsxs and GregSy, yes, the 16 gauge barrels on my 1/2 frame DHE fit very well, including pin strike and barrel breech area. Tony and Simmons Gun Specialties should take this into account when advertising their replacement barrels. If interesting combinations of #1 frame barrels are advertised by either gunmaker, the barrels should be suitable for #1/2 frame guns as well as #1 frame guns.
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GregSY & Eightbore,
perhaps we have been referring to different sources, mine stems from Price and Pjestad (p. 45). Price is also co-author in "The Parker Story", so that data should be the same. If you look back in this thread you will see that I did not quote "the chart" but Price. So we are in agreement that distance between strikers in #1/2 and #1 frames is the same (1 1/16").
DAM16SXS,
Good, because my Parker is not in the 2002 PGCA list. This gun was made in June 1939 and arrived with a US M.D. working for a mining company, upon retirement he went to live (and shoot) to the southern lake district until he passed away.
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ejsxs, yes, your chart information from the Serialization Book is correct. The chart that is incorrect is Robin Lewis's chart from the PGCA website forum thread that is linked on this thread. That chart didn't have the appearance of a chart taken directly from a Remington-Parker document, looks more like a chart made on a computer. It has at least three errors in measurements, maybe more. Yes, distance between pins on #1 frames and #1/2 frames is 1 1/16".
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Eightbgore,
can you elaborate more about the services provided to your Parker guns by "Tony and Simmons Gun Specialties", I am really interested.
Regards,
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