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#19311 01/09/07 07:04 PM
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Just curious who manafactured guns of the paradox type? A few I know of are:
Westley Richards- Explora and Fauneta
H&H- Paradox
Lancaster- Colindian
Cogswell and Harrison- Cosmos
Rigby- Ball and Shot?

Are there any others?

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william evans made some. I have a very nice 12 bore super magnum made up by them. Holland style rachet chokes.
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May I ask a not to well informed question seing as the subject of paradox guns has been raised?

What happens when shot is fired through a paradox barrel? Does it spray all over the place? Or is the effect dependent on the size of the shot?

And what is polygon rifling? If there is such a thing.

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The idea of the Paradox was to incorporate a full choke with the rifling. When shooting shot you end up with effectively an IC pattern.
Polygon rifling- imagine a bore shaped like an octagonal barrel (though it could be 4,5,6 or whatever sided) but the sides in this bore are twisted into a helix just like conventional rifling. I hope that makes sense, but it's one concept where a picture truly is worth a thousand words.

Dearmer-It would be easier to ask who didn't make a Paradox. It was a very popular item and after the Fosberry patent expired most everybody jumped on the band wagon.
In addition to the ones you mentioned, Bland-Vice Versa, Lang-Afrindia, A&N-Jungle Gun, Jeffery-Shikari, Pape-Rhodesia, Tolley-Ubique to name a few.

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Polygon rifling......?

If it's a twisted barrel and not cut rifling in any way, what effect does that have on shot charges? Same as a paradox?

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The term "Paradox" is a Holland and Holland trade mark, other makers have different names for the same type of barrel.

There is also such a thing as a "ball" gun. Having true cylinder smooth bores intended to fire a round ball fitted to the bores. I have seen such a gun, a 12 ga double, fitted with rifle sights and stocked like a rifle.

Now days we have slug barrels, often rifled. There is a rumor that Bernardelli made a double barreled slug gun in recent times.

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Dave Weber has (or had) a side-by-side slug gun of European manufacture. He posted pictures of it and a deer he took with it a few years ago.

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I have a Thomas Bland marked "Euoplia" for ball and shot engraved on the rib with no engaving on the sideplates as was usual with his guns it"s a 12G hammer SxS 2 3/4 chamber with dolls head lockup, still closes like a vault door that three of my pals used at 40 yds and all 6 slug shots were inside a macdonalds big gulp lid say 5 inchs diameter.
Nice gun, I will never sell it.
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I have a Jeffery marked 'the Jungle Gun'. The rifling appears to be full lenght of the barrel, almost like raised pitting with a gentle twist. Unfortunately I have yet been able to shoot the gun as the barrels are in good condition, the rest of the gun is in poor condition- stock damaged, and top strap broken at the safety. If is one of my 'project' guns for this year.
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