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Just curious who manafactured guns of the paradox type? A few I know of are: Westley Richards- Explora and Fauneta H&H- Paradox Lancaster- Colindian Cogswell and Harrison- Cosmos Rigby- Ball and Shot?
Are there any others?
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william evans made some. I have a very nice 12 bore super magnum made up by them. Holland style rachet chokes. Steve
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May I ask a not to well informed question seing as the subject of paradox guns has been raised?
What happens when shot is fired through a paradox barrel? Does it spray all over the place? Or is the effect dependent on the size of the shot?
And what is polygon rifling? If there is such a thing.
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The idea of the Paradox was to incorporate a full choke with the rifling. When shooting shot you end up with effectively an IC pattern. Polygon rifling- imagine a bore shaped like an octagonal barrel (though it could be 4,5,6 or whatever sided) but the sides in this bore are twisted into a helix just like conventional rifling. I hope that makes sense, but it's one concept where a picture truly is worth a thousand words.
Dearmer-It would be easier to ask who didn't make a Paradox. It was a very popular item and after the Fosberry patent expired most everybody jumped on the band wagon. In addition to the ones you mentioned, Bland-Vice Versa, Lang-Afrindia, A&N-Jungle Gun, Jeffery-Shikari, Pape-Rhodesia, Tolley-Ubique to name a few.
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Polygon rifling......?
If it's a twisted barrel and not cut rifling in any way, what effect does that have on shot charges? Same as a paradox?
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The term "Paradox" is a Holland and Holland trade mark, other makers have different names for the same type of barrel.
There is also such a thing as a "ball" gun. Having true cylinder smooth bores intended to fire a round ball fitted to the bores. I have seen such a gun, a 12 ga double, fitted with rifle sights and stocked like a rifle.
Now days we have slug barrels, often rifled. There is a rumor that Bernardelli made a double barreled slug gun in recent times.
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Dave Weber has (or had) a side-by-side slug gun of European manufacture. He posted pictures of it and a deer he took with it a few years ago.
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I have a Thomas Bland marked "Euoplia" for ball and shot engraved on the rib with no engaving on the sideplates as was usual with his guns it"s a 12G hammer SxS 2 3/4 chamber with dolls head lockup, still closes like a vault door that three of my pals used at 40 yds and all 6 slug shots were inside a macdonalds big gulp lid say 5 inchs diameter. Nice gun, I will never sell it. Martin
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I have a Jeffery marked 'the Jungle Gun'. The rifling appears to be full lenght of the barrel, almost like raised pitting with a gentle twist. Unfortunately I have yet been able to shoot the gun as the barrels are in good condition, the rest of the gun is in poor condition- stock damaged, and top strap broken at the safety. If is one of my 'project' guns for this year. Regards, Charl
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I have seen several Manufrance Robust gun with shotgun bore rifling. Not sure if this was used on their other Models.
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J&W Tolley did the 'Ubique' line of ball/shot sporting guns.
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I have a Simson (German) 20 bore Paradox type.
Rumor has it Roger Lake may be finishing his Paradox book in the near future?
I am eagerly awaiting it's publishing...Hopefully I can feature it here on site when released.
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Rogers Book is due anytime, at least volume 1. There was so much material he split into two volumes. It is going to be a very very good read and reference whether your interested in paradoxes or just double gun history.
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David Kirkwood (Boston) made Paradox guns in mid 1880's. I have a Sidelock drilling 12x12x38.55 Kirkwood with Paradox rifling. Reguards Bill Mcphail
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Surprised, no one mentioned Westley Richards' Faunetta (sp?)
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I ordered several copies of Roger Lakes H & H book recently. He said I should expect them in early September. $100 plus shipping directly from him.
Roger's e-mail is morgandhc@aol.com
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The Roger Lake/David Baker Paradox book is done and should be available very soon. I reviewed it for Shooting Sportsman magazine and it's a "keeper."
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Got My Paradox book in the mail today!
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WRF, Will you share your source for the Paradox book? I am not finding it when I do a search. Thanks, LouM
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Roger Lake, His email is on this thread a couple of responses above mine.
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Surprised, no one mentioned Westley Richards' Faunetta (sp?) One listed under the "Doubleguns for Sale" heading.
The target lies within.
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Concerning our book - PARADOX - The story of Col. G.V. Fosbery, Holland & Holland and the Paradox. We have a website: paradox-horsley.com that has all of the ordering information and a few pages of the book. However, the basic ordering information is: Price: $90 plus $5 s/h. (Calif. residents add $8.66, sorry). Please send check or money order to: Roger Lake, 10500 Morgan Territory Rd. Livermore, CA, 94551. (International orders please contact me at morgandhc@aol.com). - Roger
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Thanks Roger. Are you still with GMA or BnB? Lou M.
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I sure miss your guys' previews, and some successful bidding, in SF. The internet just isn't the same. Lots of good times over the years, but probably bought too much. Lou M.
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