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#19311 - 01/09/07 06:04 PM Who made Paradox type guns?
dearmer Offline

Registered: 12/31/06
Posts: 8
Just curious who manafactured guns of the paradox type? A few I know of are:
Westley Richards- Explora and Fauneta
H&H- Paradox
Lancaster- Colindian
Cogswell and Harrison- Cosmos
Rigby- Ball and Shot?

Are there any others?


#19317 - 01/09/07 06:54 PM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: dearmer]
SKB Offline

Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 4956
Loc: Colorado
william evans made some. I have a very nice 12 bore super magnum made up by them. Holland style rachet chokes.

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#19319 - 01/09/07 06:57 PM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: SKB]
fishdock Offline

Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 146
Loc: Florida
May I ask a not to well informed question seing as the subject of paradox guns has been raised?

What happens when shot is fired through a paradox barrel? Does it spray all over the place? Or is the effect dependent on the size of the shot?

And what is polygon rifling? If there is such a thing.

#19321 - 01/09/07 07:35 PM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: fishdock]
Thurston Howell III Offline
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Registered: 07/12/06
Posts: 66
Loc: South FL
The idea of the Paradox was to incorporate a full choke with the rifling. When shooting shot you end up with effectively an IC pattern.
Polygon rifling- imagine a bore shaped like an octagonal barrel (though it could be 4,5,6 or whatever sided) but the sides in this bore are twisted into a helix just like conventional rifling. I hope that makes sense, but it's one concept where a picture truly is worth a thousand words.

Dearmer-It would be easier to ask who didn't make a Paradox. It was a very popular item and after the Fosberry patent expired most everybody jumped on the band wagon.
In addition to the ones you mentioned, Bland-Vice Versa, Lang-Afrindia, A&N-Jungle Gun, Jeffery-Shikari, Pape-Rhodesia, Tolley-Ubique to name a few.


#20163 - 01/14/07 11:38 AM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: Thurston Howell III]
fishdock Offline

Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 146
Loc: Florida
Polygon rifling......?

If it's a twisted barrel and not cut rifling in any way, what effect does that have on shot charges? Same as a paradox?

#21262 - 01/20/07 12:41 AM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: fishdock]
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Registered: 12/28/04
Posts: 386
Loc: Canby OR
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#21835 - 01/23/07 06:59 PM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: doublegunhq]
unspellable Offline

Registered: 12/16/03
Posts: 189
Loc: Iowa
The term "Paradox" is a Holland and Holland trade mark, other makers have different names for the same type of barrel.

There is also such a thing as a "ball" gun. Having true cylinder smooth bores intended to fire a round ball fitted to the bores. I have seen such a gun, a 12 ga double, fitted with rifle sights and stocked like a rifle.

Now days we have slug barrels, often rifled. There is a rumor that Bernardelli made a double barreled slug gun in recent times.

#21860 - 01/23/07 08:48 PM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: unspellable]
David Offline

Registered: 02/28/02
Posts: 1087
Loc: North of the Arkansas, South o...
Dave Weber has (or had) a side-by-side slug gun of European manufacture. He posted pictures of it and a deer he took with it a few years ago.

#181412 - 03/05/10 11:19 AM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: David]
bavarianbrit Offline

Registered: 02/25/10
Posts: 217
Loc: Bavaria, Germany
I have a Thomas Bland marked "Euoplia" for ball and shot engraved on the rib with no engaving on the sideplates as was usual with his guns it"s a 12G hammer SxS 2 3/4 chamber with dolls head lockup, still closes like a vault door that three of my pals used at 40 yds and all 6 slug shots were inside a macdonalds big gulp lid say 5 inchs diameter.
Nice gun, I will never sell it.

Edited by bavarianbrit (03/12/10 01:35 AM)

#181476 - 03/06/10 12:50 AM Re: Who made Paradox type guns? [Re: bavarianbrit]
Charl Offline
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Registered: 06/17/03
Posts: 65
Loc: South Africa
I have a Jeffery marked 'the Jungle Gun'. The rifling appears to be full lenght of the barrel, almost like raised pitting with a gentle twist. Unfortunately I have yet been able to shoot the gun as the barrels are in good condition, the rest of the gun is in poor condition- stock damaged, and top strap broken at the safety. If is one of my 'project' guns for this year.

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