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Greg I had a Spainish sidelock built by <AMR> a virtually unknown maker and it was one of the best shotguns I ever owned. The main spring on that sidelock was as thick as your fingers and the gun itself was as light as a feather and tough as nails. You never know exactly what you are getting from Spain, but that one looks like a real beauty!!! I think your friend did good!!!! Greg, why didn't you buy it given your taste for Spainish sidelocks?? 
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Hi, well to be honest after buying that 16ga Grulla 209H and the Henry Atkin SLE my funds are tapped for guns! Besides, I'm not into 12ga guns, unless they are English.
Still, it does appear to be a nice gun.
All the best!
Greg
Gregory J. Westberg
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Many years ago I looked at importing these guns but I was not please with what I saw, so I decided against it. I would not consider these a first quality gun by any means. Certainly not in the realm of AYA, Pedro A., Arrieta, Grulla, Garbi. I would consider these on par with the Ugartecha guns. I do know that somewhere I still have a catalog from them from the time I thought about importing them
Best
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I don't know why some don't think Ugartechea can make guns with the the other best Spanish makers. I'll guarantee a $10,000 Uggie is as good as any other at that price. I have a 119 that has as good or better engraving detail and coverage than many others that cost much more. Or is it that Ugartechea still sells a lot of the 'lowly boxlocks, and the others don't, excepting Aya, giving the perception that 'our' guns are better. Ugartechea performs a great service to people who maybe can't afford a 'fancy' gun but want a good handling gun. Aya's boxlock costs twice what an Uggie Grade I does. Wood? Any maker can get what ever wood you are willing to pay for; God makes it. How many makers engrave the bottom of the receiver 'cheeks'? I have seen it on an Aya #1, a Purdey and Ugartechea 1030. The Ugartechea 119 today lists for $7600 new. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=6704&fullsize=1http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=6706&fullsize=1Show me another NEW $7600 Spanish or any other that has as good engraving detail as that. Maybe I'm wrong; but show me.
Last edited by Patriot USA; 05/30/10 05:13 PM.
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Chief, I must wholeheartedly agree with you.
The only contact I have had with a J.J. Sarasqueta shotgun was when one blew up while a friend was hunting doves with it. He was fortunate that the piece of chamber that flew away did so without touching any parts of his anatomy.
It may be that JJ made some "best" guns (I have never even seen a photo of one), but..."For one swallow does not make a summer".
Don Víctor on the other hand was in another league altogether and I would bet JJ was/is cashing in on don Víctor's reputation (Spanish Royal Warrants included).
At least in the countries I know of in South America, the famed Sarasquetas were made by Don Víctor, the others are wannabes.
JC
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Many years ago I looked at importing these guns but I was not please with what I saw, so I decided against it. I would not consider these a first quality gun by any means. Certainly not in the realm of AYA, Pedro A., Arrieta, Grulla, Garbi. I would consider these on par with the Ugartecha guns. I do know that somewhere I still have a catalog from them from the time I thought about importing them
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John Boyd Hi John, Say if you could , would you expand on why you didn't import the EGO's? Just curious. The Grulla shoots great BTW, just got back from shooting her. Thanks again for the great service and great gun!! All the best! Greg
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Ugartechea 1000+ series made to order guns are very gamey with quality to match and I would not hesitate to get one. Much like with used Belgian or Italian guns when it comes to Spanish ones I want reputable well known name to come on the gun. I might miss some good deals out there, but....... with German or French ones risk of getting something  is less likely 
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I was not happy with the polishing of the bbls, the over all fit and finish, like the heading up of the stock to the reciver. Also the egraving was not well done. LAter, I did have a chance to see the inside of the sidelocks and it was not finished well.
There are lots of lower quality guns out there that work fine, just look at all the Turkish and Russian stuff
John Boyd
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