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it it my understanding that the alloy formulas typically used over the years to produce rifle, handgun and shotgun frames or receivers, are quite different. hence, it would make since that the factory heat treating processes used for these various types of firearm frames and receivers would also be different? or to express it another way, what works for rifle receivers, is not the same as what works for handgun frames? and then there is the whole subject of shotgun receivers? anybody have any thoughts to share here? maybe we can start a new thread, as this one is gittin kinda old and stale....


Doug Turnbull has spent many years working out the appropriate case hardening techniques for the various alloys used by many manufacturers, He can give you Parker colors or Smith colors or Fox colors, or whatever else you are likely to need. They are all different and require different treatments. Some of those treatments are necessarily proprietary, but he has published on this topic and is probably worth some further reading. I have a Smith and a Parker that were case hardened and colored by Turnbull's shop, and they are both "correct" as far as I can tell. And neither of them is cracked or warped.

Turnbull is also somewhat renowned for his work on pistols, revolvers and rifles.

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as to turnbull's reputation... it has been my experience and observation that he is one of the few firearms refinishers whose work demands a high price come resale time. good thing, as he dont work cheap! a tip, if you have work done by turnbull, make sure you retain the receipt. without it, your gun is just another well refinished piece and not worth near as much as it would be with the turnbull provenance included.


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Tag teams? Kens vs. Eds? But we never hear from Ed L.? Hmm. You let Lander out for exercise, Ed? Take him for walks? Or does he just sit in that rocker at the window lookin stuffed?

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look at this fine example of case color.Notice all the birds eye torch marks.I must quess that ed's wife has taken up case color,as the poster is carolina girl.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=170866069

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Hi -

Speaking of case coloring...what can I do to "touch up" a small worn (pencil eraser sized) area on a case colored SxS? The top lever was pressed down on open and scraped the brown case coloring off leaving a shiny mark down to the bare metal. It's really bugging me. I don't need the whole receiver redone because it’s at 95%. Does anyone know of a repair kit or some way of covering/blending small areas?

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To Ed.

I know virtually nothing about heat treatments, especially case coloring (well maybe more then you two), but to argue and degrade the likes of Mr. Hurst and Mr. Turnbull, you make yourself look like, well, Ed L's torch, a tool.

I'm glad you have a lawyer because you would be useless as one yourself. Your arguments supporting Ed L's work are asinine and outlandish. To even consider his work as anything close to factory colors is ridiculous. Please prove me wrong, and post some side-by-side pictures. But then again you would probably consider replacing the round headlights of a vintage Mustang with square ones as bringing it back to original.

“I have dealt with the public in a sales and marketing capacity for approximately 40 years now”

The only thing I do believe is that you have been a salesman for many years, and it must have been in used cars.

“please, be aware: ed lander has been a general gunsmith for over 60 years now!”

I thought he was a Master Gunsmith? I think your right, the only time, in your description of Ed L.

I hope Ed L. does not have a lawyer watching you!

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dal: your post is so full of incorrect conclusions, that it is truly one of those that is just not worthy of a response. perhaps i am finally loosing my patience here. ed


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Ed, your like Russell from the recent Survivor series. You just don't get it, do you?


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Only difference Russell should have won...and Ed's torch should have been put out 100 guns ago.

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juvenile and inappropriate....


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