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Not actually a doublegun question, but I just got a plaintive long distance call from a friend who owns his grandfather's H&R Handy Gun (which I hope is grandfathered as a Curio & Relic...). He opened the piece, hoping to take it down, but is now stuck. The forend is off -- he calls it "...that wooden thing under the barrel" -- but now he can neither close it or get the barrel off. I've never seen one of these rarities, but I'm hoping someone here can talk me through the process so I can help my pal.
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If the hammer is cocked, tell him to let it down. Just a guess.
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If he doesn't have a permit for it I wouldn't be posting about it on the internet.
Out there at the crossroads molding the devil's bullets. - Tom Waits
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  There is no such thing as "grand fathered" gun. The gun must have an ATF stamp that is transfered at time of sale. If the gun does not have a stamp, it is illegal. If it does not have a stamp, you can not get one. This has been true since 1933. Violators may be fined not more than $250,000, and imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. In addition, any vessel, vehicle or aircraft used to transport, conceal or possess an unregistered NFA firearm is subject to seizure and forfeiture, as is the weapon itself. [49 U.S.C. 781-788, 26 U.S.C. 5861 and 5872] Pete
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Thats almost true, but not quite. There WAS an amnesty period in the 60s' where they could be Grandfathered in. And, some of those guns do not have a physicial stamp but are registered in the great gun book.......ATF can tell you, BUT if it aint, ya got a problem. It can be surrendered, or under certain circumstances donated to a museum or such like, but you can't keep it. To further confuse the issue, some variations were exempted....
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To further confuse the issue, some variations were exempted.... I think it is the.410s that were exempted on the theory they are really standard caliber pistols since they'll shoot the pistol bullets...Geo
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Thanks to all, as always, for the knowledgeable input. First, he did manage to get the piece apart and back together. I did some checking myself last night and confirmed (I think) what several of you have said: i.e. the Handy Gun is still on the ATF no-no list unless it was registered. This particular gun is, in fact, not on US soil. My friend believes that his father did register it back in the 1960s, then took it back to his residence in Mexico where it remains. My friend has the serial number but he can't find the paperwork for it. He is wondering if he should contact BATFE when he gets back stateside to see if he can get a duplicate registry certificate. Because he is not actually in possession of it here in the US, he ought to be able to do that much safely, right? He is well aware that he can't go near a Mexican airport or customs official with it, because whether or not it would be considered legal in other respects, it is in theory capable of firing a military caliber, the .45 round, which the last time I heard was quite illegal in Mexico. In any case, it's going to stay right where it is for the time being.
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Please; Don't Ever attempt to fire a .45 round through a .410. Many folks have been misled by the fact a few guns are now chambered for the .45 Colt/.410 shotgun, but these guns have "".45 Cal"" bores. A .410 Handy Gun according to the ads was designed to be used with the .44WCF "shot" loads as well as the .44 Gamegetter round ball loads, but "NOT" the regular .44-40 Bulleted load. Using any of these cartridges with a solid bullet larger in dia than the bore of the .410 would put one in grave danger of taking a chamber apart when that solid slug fits the forcing cone in a rgular .410 chambering.
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Thanks, 2-Piper. I don't think there's any danger of my friend firing it -- he just wants it as a family keepsake. If he ever did it would be with .410 ammo, but if he ever gets it north of the border I will do my best to dissuade him. It can't be a pleasure to shoot anyway. This is the same guy who has his father-in-law's WWII service 1911A1 with several magazine of vintage ammo. He wanted to shoot it and had to be persuaded that the old ammo had collector value too, and he could not believe that the service pistol could be worth more than a grand either. My real concern is that he keeps the piece away from anyone in a Mexican uniform -- police, customs, airlines. That could be really lethal...
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