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Today I bought a double shotgun for $100. It is heavily engraved, is not Damascus, is hammerless and is a box lock side-by-side. It is marked CHEVALLIER & REIMS on the underside in front of the trigger guard. Under the barrels there are various marks, numbers, and words...ie: 18.4 and 6.5 on both barrels, StEtienne w/crown and palm leaves also on both barrels, "rectifie" over "RC" on both barrels, Diard Aine on one barrel, and "ucposee" over "acier & comprise" (?) on the other barrel. Both barrels have what look to be a running rabbit followed by "choke bored" over "perfectionne". Finally...one barrel has ROHCHARD over CIZCRCII, while the other has MEDAILLE D'OR on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would hate to let this go until I get some basic info on it. I am new to this forum...so thanks to anyone with any info.
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Some thoughts and info (asbestest I kin)
The 6.5 is likely 65, and would mean 2 1/2 inch chambers. Medaille D'or is Gold medal - St Etienne is french Proof House. 18.4 is bore size for 12 gauge.
Acier is "steel" Suggest that without pictures, that ia ll I can give you - Someone else may be able to identify the maker and add more info.
Dumb, but learning...Prof Em, BSc(ME), CAE (FYI)
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6.5 (usually 65) means 6.5cm (65mm) i.e. 2 1/2". 18.4 is 18.4mm for 12GA. Chevallier was a dealer in Reims, Champagne. Some other markings should be read, Acier comprime (compressed steel), Ronchard Cizeron (RC). This gun was made and proved in St-Etienne by RC, and certainly not by Chevallier. Check for some more info here: http://littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/artisans%20p%20q%20r/a%20ronchard%20cizeron%20fr.htmBest regards, WC
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Chevallier (chevalier literally translates as knight) was active in 1900. He had a shop at 21, rue de Vesle. The gun was sold through his shop, but as stated was made by Ronchard Cizeron. The Cizeron family had a long history as gun makers and dealers in France. The earliest dating back to circa 1650.
The "Gold Medal" was awarded the maker. It was common place for a maker, if they won an exhibition to proclaim it on all their guns regardless of the quality or model. The "Gold Medal" allowed him to charge a bit more for his guns. In this case, it sounds like he won 10 years before he produced this gun. Although there was a Paris exhibition in 1900...
Pictures would help to determine the workmanship / quality of the gun.
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Diard Aine might be the name of the barrelmaker; "aine" also means "elder", so it might be the name of the older of Diard brothers in the gun business.
The "ucposee" is probably "deposee", which means registered, as in a trademark.
If the crown and palm branches are repeated more than once on each barrel, that would mean the gun has a heavier than standard proof.
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