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Building a Short Barrel Shotgun (SBS), Short Barrel Rifle (SBR) or Any Other Weapon (AOW) is perfectly legal.

You just have to know the regs and fill out the paperwork, be patient and pay the proper tax.

You can also build one yourself, assuming you live in a state that allows them.

I didn't bother to click any of the links.

EDIT: I read the link above at Shotgunworld. Perfectly described in that post. I have not built a SBS but I have built a 11 1/2" barreled AR15 SBR.

not sure if orginal poster is still around but there is one in JJ's March auction with,what looks to be a factory marked, holster.

http://www.juliaauctions.com/auctions/div_catalog_288_sh.asp

Dave, is that the same one that sold for $175 last March? Can we get a clarification on your earlier post??

Ithaca sold Auto & Burglars to Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway and provided holsters marked with the company's name. I knew a guy who hunted grouse in the alders with an A&B. Energetic recoil.

No its a different one, there was one in March of 09 also had a factory holster-a bit darker leather thou,it sold for $5175.
JJ has another one,the one pictured on his March 2010 highlights.

Sorry, Dave, I misread the 5 in your post as a $$$$. It's time for a new prescription for my glasses.

The Ithaca Auto & Burglar gun is not really rare...they do show up at Julia's and JC Devines auctions about once a year and I have seen them listed on Gun Broker. Their are two models; one built on the Flues frame and one on the NID frame. They are fairly similar in physical appearance except that the Flues model has a pronounced protusion or horn on the buttstock as can be seen in the photo in a previous listing. The one that sold last year at Julia's for $5175 was the highest price that I have seen. A holster appears several times a year on ebay. One in high condition usually sells in the $5-600 range. If torn or with stitching missing around $2-300.

They must be registered with the BATF to be legally poessessed. Otherwise it is a felony to own one. BATF did open a window for 30 days in 1968 where they could be registered if they weren't previously registered when purchased. It is highly unlikely that BATF will ever offor the opportunity in the future. To purchase one does require the buyer to obtain a signature of the local CLEO which can be a problem in some jurisdictions; e.g. CA, NJ, MA etc. but is usually not difficult in most rural areas. The gun is on the C&R list as an AOW so if the buyer has a C&R the transfer does not have to go through a Class III FFL. Corporations and Trusts can own them and do not need to have a CLEO signature. As a result some purchasers are buying the A&B through their company or are setting up a Trust to acquire the gun. They must still be registered with the BATF and the $5 transfer tax paid.

It will be interesting to see the price for which the one sells in the upcoming Julia auction.

There are two different style holsters. The one in Dave's photo, with the flap, is the most common. There was a later style that was open at the top...no flap...which is extremely rare. I have never seen one of those come up for sale.

Rick, does the later holster have the Ithaca logo on it? At Winter Vegas a few years ago, a friend purchased a high condition consecutive numbered pair with holsters. He went through the proper transfer channels which included trips to the Maryland State Police headquarters. All other paperwork was completed by mail.

eighbore, One would assume so since Ithaca stamped their logo on pretty much everything that they manufactured or marketed during that era, however, I have never seen one...and have been actively looking for 15 years. I have owned a half dozen of the one with the flap.

Your friend certainly made a nice acquistion which is no doubt the centerpiece of his collection. Randy Shuman returned from his annual jaunt to Vegas a few years ago and told me that he met a dealer that had a consecutive numnbered pair of A&B's for sale and was I interested. I replied absolutely. He there upon called the dealer and found out that they had been sold. Your friend must be happy to find that they are now selling in the $4000+ range.