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Billings and Spencer Company company, even Canada was importing components: http://books.google.com/books?id=yGlOAAA...;q=&f=false . I can't say he's telling the truth about the state of the tubes but it is possible they were importing American steel because it was less expensive.

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November, 1908.

"(6)We further request that shotguns barrels in single tubes forged rough bored and gun blocks for gunstocks rough hewn, or sawed, or planed on one side, be continued on the free list as at present, because their manufacture or production can not be economically undertaken in this country."

Hunters Arms co., Fulton, N.Y.
Ithaca Gun Co., Ithaca N.Y.
Parker Bros., Meriden, Conn.
Lefever Arms Co., Syracuse, N.Y.
J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co., Chicopee Falls, Mass.
N.R. Davis & Son, Assonet, Mass.
Baker Gun & Forging Co., Batavia, N.Y.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XW0vAAA...uns&f=false

1908-1908 Hearings

"The importation of forged rough-bored tubes for barrels by the American manufactures for the corresponding years were:
1903, $233,826.66;
1904, $172,691.19;
1905, $216,876;
1906, $260,683.

It will be seen from these figures that we have been barely able to hold our home market aganist the finished product of foreign competition,
and have drawn heavily upon them for our rough tubes or barrels, which do not come into competition to any considerable extent with similar manufacture here,
being produced abroad by low-paid skilled labor of special experience."

http://books.google.com/books?id=kH5JAAA...els&f=false

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Raimey
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Raimey,
Those quotes certainly shed light on the economics of the day. Good stuff. Did you find any information on the depression years and how that might have affected importation vs. home grown?

Thanks Raimey- I know that WRA went from their nickel steel ordnance barrel steels (US Steel in Pittsburgh) to a stainless in the 1920's, a friend has a M12 20 gauge with a stainless barrel, and Dave Riffle details that- but the "backblast" lead WRA to develop their form of 4140 for their Winchester Proof Steel- My guess is that as Remington and Winchester were forming their own barrels out of nickel steel even before 1900, they didn't need to import, as did Parker, etc (who didn't made rifles along with shotguns, regardless of whether doubles or pump/autoloaders) just a guess of course--

I have a Super Grade M54 from 1935 in .220 Swift with a 26" stainless barrel- now modified to the early M70 (1936-1941) bolt and safety, and with a Timney trigger, OW- pretty much original- fortunately it was ordered with scope blocks and the receiver was alreadt drilled and tapped, as doing that operation in stainless is an entire different "ball game" than in nickel alloy steel sans chromium etc--

I can somewhat compare the "rough tubes" tarrif of 1908 with a more recent Habitat 4 Humanity set of experiences- about 12 years ago, we "stick built" the spec houses for that program, and we used 2x4 "pre-cuts" imported from Canada-as they were cut from length at the sawmill to aprox. 92 & 5/8" they were considered a manufactured product- they also were jig drilled with a 3/4" wing bit off one end- at 16" up from the floor plate for the Romex to be run in later, and that also made the 2x4's a "manufactured product" and at a way lower tarrif rate- that has all changed--

We always had some rookies on the job- wannabe carpenters, but you gotta learn from somewhere- we had one crew stud in three partition walls and set them in, plumbed and lined perfectly- except they had the Romex holes up at the top plate, and not at the base or floor plate level- Ooops--

Not sure how many here would be interested but there is a good book on the Arms of Krupp.An interesting read on one of the most wealthy familes of the Reich.
You might be a bit suprised how Alfried was a late backer but a strong one to AH (putting a million marks up to get him elected at Gorings insistance,along with others, in the "last election").He also ran 138 concentration camps,including one for babies, and employed SS guards to beat and starve men, women and even children to death.All to keep up production quota's from Albert Speer's orders.
He was of course convicted at Nuremburg.

Not judging anyone who owns guns with the Krupp name, I am "guilty" as well with several in the collection.
Its very long but quite interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/Arms-Krupp-1587-1968-William-Manchester/dp/0316544906

I've found some but A.H. Fox's spooling up to make rifle barrels and the lack of foreign sources during WWI forcing American steel conglomerates to become sources really complicates things along with the impact of WWI. Just like my thought of just trying to learn only about pre-WWI German proofmarks when there's post-WWI, during WWII when Germany expanded their proofhouses, and post WWII.

DaveK:

I still have it on my "to read" list but haven't progressed much.

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Raimey
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An interesting read from 1884(p.82-83), http://books.google.com/books?id=zCdYHug...eel&f=false , that notes that Sir Henry Bessemer was going to patent/allow the use of a patent thru payment for his crucible steel(tiegelsteel??) process in Belgium but Krupp stepped in and swung his big steel bat which resulted in the whole lot going to Krupp of Essen possibly being the origins of the "Fluss Stahl" that we are familiar with. Interesting the fact that 2 Belgian steel craftsmen traveled to Essen to seen employment in what looks to be industrial esponiage but may have been the beginnings of a Krupp-Leige partnership/agreement.

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Raimey
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1898 German steel terms to English:
http://books.google.com/books?id=EDU1AAA...;q=&f=false

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Raimey
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Interesting Heym Krupp steel tube offerings: http://www.bitsofpieces.com/heym.html

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Raimey
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Just wanted to cross reference the 2 threads:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=228548#Post228548


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Raimey
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