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Raimey, here you go  
The taste of poor quality lingers long after the cheap price is forgotten.........
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I also asked our guys to translate it word for word, but anyway now we can say crowns mean gun been tested for both durability and shooting performance by Royal Military Institute. Still unknown why 2 crowns been replaced by one crown, is it changes in German political system or in system of tests
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The first paragraph writes about royal (state) proof which is something already well known.
The second paragraph is refreshing and quite interesting:
"Besides that, this gun was proofed for good shooting, and the barrels are therefore bearing the marks /two crowns/"
It doesn't seem clear if the two crowns were applied by the proof house, or the Sauer factory; I'm inclined to think the factory.
Good work, Geno and Raimey!
With kind regards,
Jani
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Jani, that makes sense. In the middle of the document under the caveman is Fabrik Marke which means "Makers Mark". So Sauer & Sons Suhl is stating, "Here is our trade mark!" It makes sense that the rest is stating, "Here is our quality rating for this gun." Sort of like a Quality Assurance inspection rather than model related.
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CJO:
Thanks for the effort and it looks to be a Masterwork/piece and has the D.R.G.M.(130243?) around the cocking indicators which would make it an earlier version. One thing that puzzles me(and yes there are many) is what separates a Model 18 from a Model 17. Yes I do realize the engraving, but the special order Model 18 scattergun had some sort of Sauer variant of chopper lump tubes with the lug/lumps and rib extension forged with the tubes. I haven't seen a patent or the process described.
The Caveman with a staff/Barbarian trademark was acquired in 1882.
Great find on the stamp Geno and you have an interesting summary with the 2 crowns together, separated, and one omitted with the first page.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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This is where caveman-barbarian-forest man came from - the part of Prussian emblem. Clair Kofoed sent this pic. 
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Neat Geno & Kofoed. I think it goes back to Hercules but that'a another a$$ chewing by Mr. Cate tale.
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Raimey
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106XXX. 12 ga BLNE. 2 cavemen, 2 crowns (1 big, 1 smaller). 1 each per side, on flats.
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CJO:
Thanks for the effort and it looks to be a Masterwork/piece and has the D.R.G.M.(130243?) around the cocking indicators which would make it an earlier version. One thing that puzzles me(and yes there are many) is what separates a Model 18 from a Model 17. Yes I do realize the engraving, but the special order Model 18 scattergun had some sort of Sauer variant of chopper lump tubes with the lug/lumps and rib extension forged with the tubes. Ramey, Jeff Stephens of the GGCA told me years ago that he thought it was a model 29 CJ
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CJ:
If may be a Model 29 if it was a Pigeon gun but it still was supposed to have the Sauer variant of the chopper lump. Now I'm referring to the German models and if the sling swivels, cheekpiece, etc. are omitted, there is an American model equivalent.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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