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Geno:
You know there weren't any quality Sauer examples after 1904, don't you???? No, I think it had something to do with hand effort vs. mechanization regarding craftsmanship. Sometime between 1900 & WWI, or 1912, Sauer may have switched to different marks noting the different processes because they had to due to the fact that less and less hand-work was being performed and more and more machine work enabled them to keep their prices lower. Components arrived in a state closer to the end result. Less handwork/effort on a tube for instance would bring the cost down and choices were slim because they had the process streamlined. Id guess it would take 30 days to fill an order and if you wanted a different tube length, the price would increase 10 - 15% as would a higher grade to tube steel probably by 50 - 100 marks. I'd also say an increase, or decrease, in LOP or stock would net you a 10% increase. If you wanted a sub gauge smaller than 20 a 10 - 15% price increase was added. When mechanization really took ahold, Sauer had production down to a science and anything outside of their configuration slowed or halted production. When Sauer would sub a longarm to say one of the Merkel folks, they would ask/request that the parts be had made. I really don't think the request was met?
Let's see that Meisterwerk.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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I have one with the two crowns, a large and a small one and two cavemen in the 103xxx ser# range
I've been working on it for a few years now, was in rough shape when I got it, trully superb craftmanship and engraving on it.
It's one of my favorites
Best
CJ
The taste of poor quality lingers long after the cheap price is forgotten.........
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For what it's worth, VL&D stopped importing Sauer firearms in 1904 as well. The highest serial number was 108449.
Bob Beach
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I called to good friend to Moscow, he got mod.18E #151xxx (1909) and high grade hammer Sauer mod.5 #145xxx (1908). Both guns bear only one crown, smaller one and 2 cavemen. He promissed to send me photos as soon as he gets to his PC, there is holydays now till January, 10. Raimey, your guess about crowns and superior quality doesn't work 
Geno.
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I have one with the two crowns, a large and a small one and two cavemen in the 103xxx ser# range
I've been working on it for a few years now, was in rough shape when I got it, trully superb craftmanship and engraving on it.
It's one of my favorites
Best
CJ
Thank's for info CJ. Two crowns location are on the left side of flats (under right barrel) or on both side of flats, ie separated?
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I called to good friend to Moscow, he got mod.18E #151xxx (1909) and high grade hammer Sauer mod.5 #145xxx (1908). Both guns bear only one crown, smaller one and 2 cavemen. He promissed to send me photos as soon as he gets to his PC, there is holydays now till January, 10. Raimey, your guess about crowns and superior quality doesn't work Geno: Call your friend back and tell him to sell his machine-made, well patterned guns and get himself a couple of earlier hand-made, well patterned longarms!!! Keep searching. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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I helped him to find this Meisterwerk long time ago. This is one of the best Sauer I've ever seen.
I don't see smile icons in your post or you really believe in crown-quality tail?
Certanly I'll keep searching, but in general outline the picture is allmost clear.
Geno.
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Icons, what's that??? I don't take the time to use them. I can't say I have full confidence in the quality tale, but I haven't found another direction to go as of yet. If you know, unfrost my Sauer mirror, or crystal ball, for me where I too can see the reflection.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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For what it's worth, VL&D stopped importing Sauer firearms in 1904 as well. The highest serial number was 108449. And it very well may be worth something due to the A&F, VL&D - Sauer relationship. I haven't seen the mark on any other non-Sauer sourced/manufactured example. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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151xxx (1909) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen. Meisterwerk mod.18E 12G.  
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