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Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. ellenbr #172413 01/01/10 12:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia Geno OP Sidelock
OP Geno Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia	One more 1 crowned hammer Sauer gun mod.2, no caveman I can see. 114xxx (1904) Geno.

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. Geno #172414 01/01/10 12:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama	Upon 1st glance I don't see any either and the detail with the crown makes it the smaller of the set. However, there is some mark forward of the Sauer "S" ahead of the serial number which seems to resemble a "Caveman" with a "Staff". Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. Geno #172417 01/01/10 12:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia Geno OP Sidelock
OP Geno Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia	184xxx (1912) mod.8 - 1 crown 2 cavemen Geno.

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. Geno #172423 01/01/10 01:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama	You know, I've have to import the image but I can't say that the crown isn't the larger of the set. If the outer detail is as it appears, along with the cross(??) atop, it looks to be the larger of the set. The more I stare the more the crowns seem to multiply and change shape. Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. ellenbr #172436 01/01/10 02:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,090 Likes: 36 Recoil Rob Sidelock
Recoil Rob Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,090 Likes: 36	Looks to me there are different crowns. The standard, most common one seems to be the top one in this picture. The bottom one in the above picture is the larger crown, it has the appearance of "fur"on the top. The last one Geno shows seems different still, like the first but more elongated lobes. My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. Recoil Rob #172437 01/01/10 02:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama	Yes, there is not doubt there are 2 different crowns. But it may be the stamping effort that makes them look different. Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. ellenbr #172438 01/01/10 02:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12 Malmberget SWEDEN snowman Boxlock
snowman Boxlock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12 Malmberget SWEDEN	Perhaps you can get som information from the pictures in this Swedish tread. http://forum.robsoft.nu/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=56672

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. snowman #172439 01/01/10 02:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia Geno OP Sidelock
OP Geno Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia	Low grade Sauer gun Habicht made in 1928 1 crown, NO cavemen. Geno.

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. Geno #172442 01/01/10 02:35 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,807 Likes: 187 North Alabama	Geno: You are somewhat possesed in your excellent hunt/effort and have confirmed in my mind what I thought prior to the thread. The large crown is for superb craftsmenship while the small crown is the extra effort in the patterning effort of the tubes. I'll see if I can locate the exact verbiage from the Sauer adverts. Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Big crowns and cavemen on prewar Sauer guns. ellenbr #172446 01/01/10 02:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia Geno OP Sidelock
OP Geno Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 1 St.Petersburg/Russia	Originally Posted By: ellenbr The large crown is for superb craftsmenship while the small crown is the extra effort in the patterning effort of the tubes. So what's wrong with superb craftmenship after 1904 at Sauer? I'm waiting for photos of Meisterwerk mod.18 made in 1925. As I remember there were only 1 crown. Geno.

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