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CROSS BROTHERS, Armsmakers, Ct 14 Price Street, Birmingham c. 1870-1874, 55/56 Price Street c. 1878-1890, JAMES W. CROSS s.a. c. 1894-1901, CROSS & CO., 4 Price Street c. 1905-1913. From BRITISH GUNMAKERS VOL II - Nigel Brown.
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Your Cross gun fits into the category, "Lever-cocked Hammerless gun." It is a very early example of this type of action. Records show that; Thomas Danby Cross, James Wheeler Cross & William Wheeler Cross, were granted British patent No,126 of 1879 covering the action of your gun.The Cross partners [perhaps brothers] named in the patent are described as gun action-filers.One might speculate that on the basis of this patent, that the partners went on to establish the gun making business, described by others.
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I had one just like your. I sold it long ago.
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Battle, what is the lever on the tang for? Is it a safety or decocker? kind of odd looking for a safety slide. Thanks everyone for the information. I will post better pictures when I receive it.
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Cross brothers were recorded as action makers at 14 Price Street, Birmingham from about 1870 to about 1874. By about 1878 they had moved to 55-56 Price Street. In 1878 Joseph Cross was recorded trading at Back of 55-56 Price Street. He may have been one of the brothers (or a son or a more distant relative).
In about 1894 the firm became James W Cross, and between 1901 and about 1905 it became Cross & Co at 4 Price Street. The firm closed in about 1913.
Thomas Denby Cross of Vesey Street, Birmingham, may have been the brother of James W Cross. There was also a J W Cross of Leamington, Ontario, Canada, circa 1860, who may have been related.
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Hope you didn't invest much money in it.
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It is the safety, and the underlever not only breechs the gun but cocks the hammers too. Yours is in better condition than mine, i think i sold mine for 700 five or better years ago. I do like round frames, thats why i was attracted to it.
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Being a round body was also another incentive for me to buy it. I did not pay much for it, actually a fair bit less than you sold yours for, so I think I did fine. Should be an interesting gun to have around.
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Hi All, Sorry to bring up an old thread but I just wanted to say thank you to all those who contributed in this thread. I am researching my family tree and found the above information very useful. I believe my wife’s 3rd great grandfather is William Wheeler Cross born about 1843c in Staffordshire. He had four brothers: Joseph Wheeler (1838c), Thomas Danby (1839c), James Wheeler (1841c) and Charles (1856c). Their parents were Charles Cross (1805c) and Charlotte Wheeler (1806c). I believe William went on to become a shop manager for Richard Henry Bate, before his son George and grandson Conrad went onto buy the store in Price Street. There is another thread here which I believe may be related: http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=216559&gonew=1And the following London gazette article from 1872 may also be of interest to some: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/23925/pages/6120/page.pdfMany Thanks Hue
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