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Sauer s/n, crowns and cavemen on bbl flats and tubes.

37xxx (1890) - 2 crowns, total 5 cavemen. (2 small and 2 big cavemen on flats and 1 big caveman on bbl tube). Cape sidelock gun.
55xxx (1895) - 2 crowns, sign Thuringia on flats
74xxx (1898) - 2 crowns and 2 cavemen on flats
74xxx (1898) - 2 crowns, 3 cavemen on tube and 1 large caveman on flats, sidelock with clockhand indicator.
75xxx (1899) - 2 crowns and 2 cavemen. Hammer 20G gun.
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99xxx 1902) - 2 crowns SEPARATED (not side by side, 1 larger to the left and smaller to the right), 2 cavemen. Sidelock.
100xxx (1902) - 1 crown 1 caveman, sidelock with clockhand indicator
103xxx (1903) - 2 crowns separated 2 cavemen.
103xxx (1903) - 2 crowns separated, 2 cavemen. Meisterwerk mod.18
110xxx (1904) - 2 separated crowns, # of cavemen ?
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114xxx (1904) - 1 crown. Hammer mod.2 double
136xxx (1907) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen. Hammer mod.2
145xxx (1908) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen. High Grade hammer 12G mod.5
151xxx (1909) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen. Meisterwerk mod.18E 12G.
151xxx (1909) - 1 crown and 2 cavemen on flats
153xxx (1909) - 1 crown, 1 caveman. Drilling
157xxx (1910) - 1 crown
159xxx (1910) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen. Hammer 12G mod.5
184xxx (1912) - 1 crown 2 cavemen, mod.8
187xxx (1912) - 1 crown and 2 cavemen on flats
214xxx (1914) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen
227xxx (1924) - 1 crown, 2 cavemen
245xxx (1926) - 1 crown 2 cavemen, mod.8
267xxx (1928) - 1 crown 2 cavemen, mod.8
267xxx (1928) - 1 crown. Low grade Habicht 12g.

If you have some info to add, plz do it.
Now it looks like the number of cavemen determ the quality/grade of Sauer gun and seems one or two crowns depends on period of time.

Geno:

I like your thinking. Also if possible indicate whether a cape, scattergun, drilling, double rifle, etc.

I think the single caveman on each tube and the single on each flat note completed by Sauer. The stack of a series of cavemen may indicate quality.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

funny that a couple of recent guns surfaced all this great info, thanks to all I am storing this in my memory bank!!

In the case of multiple "cavemen" , what "quality types" might be addressed? Best regards, JBP

My 1931 VL&D 16 ga Sauer; ser.#261xxx has two cavemen and two crowns on the flats; one crown on left barrel and one caveman on the rib.

I guess I have to post some pics.

First pic TWO CROWNS and 1 caveman (invisible on this pic) on the left part of flats and 3 cavemen on the right part of flats


Second pic ONE CROWN to the right and 2 cavemen on each part of bbl flats


Patriot, by s/n your gun got 1 crown I guess. Could we look at bbl flats of your gun? There are must the same two crowns on receiver flats. If not probabaly your gun got barrels from early gun.

More Sauer's

s/n aprx 245xxx mod.8 1926 - 1 crown 2 cavemen

I'm going to ad new data to the first post.



267xxx (1928) mod.8 - 1 crown 2 cavemen

Well, once again I'm learning that I need to take better notes and as usual data compiling is going to take some time.

16 bore Sauer(55k serial range) with THURINGIA on left flat & 2 large crown stamps on the right flat so if the crowns are for city/state why the duplicity of crown & THURINGIA? The craftsmen weren't going to expend any more effort on an example that required to complete.

I did find a pre-1910 double rifle with 2 large crowns retailed by Heinrich Scherping and made by Sauer and I'm all but positive it is Mike Hart's. I'm curious if right about the large crown stamp are the words: "THURINGIA IN(???) SUHL"??


The purported quality "Caveman" with a "Staff" stamps may refer to the overall effort on the example as they are usually on one tube only, very near the lower rib and stacked in a sequence. Somewhere I have a couple examples with a sequence of 3 and 4 "Caveman" with a "Staff/Club". One will usually see a single Caveman on the tubes and/or on each individual flat and many times early on the trademark of the caveman will be found in the following sequence: Imperial Eagle, Caveman, S&S(early form) & lowercase gothic g. This sequence is many times found on the tubes. Now the purported caveman quality mark sequence is independent of the sequence and of the marks on the flats noting assembed by a mechanic at the Sauer plant.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

16 bore sidelock with clockhand cocking indicators with what looks to be a series of 3 "Caveman" with a "Club" stamp on the underside of the left tube along with the 2 crowns on the right flat and what looks to be a larger "Caveman" with a "Club" on the left flat.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Thuringia as principality was part of princedom Prussia. The same with princedom Saxony. I believe the truth somewhere in between all these princedoms of Germany. Suhl is the city in Saxony/Thuringia and can't have crown of its own, princedom can.
Not sure about cavemen as Sauer finished mark on flats and tubes, not enough data yet.

Romans called German cavemen with club as Barbarian