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JayCee: What is that other stamp on the left side of the watertable below the Simson triangles and above the serial number? And I notice you have a quality mark on the left side of the rear barrel lug. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Hello Raimey, You have very sharp eyes! It is the local CIP Proof House's proof mark (BP for Banco de Prueba).  JC
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Raimey, two big crowns probably stand one for Saxony, where Suhl was located and bigger one for Prussia (Suhl subordination after 1815). Later we can see only one big crown on prewar Sauer's gun and I belive it was after 1920, when Thuringia has appeared on Germany map.
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Raimey, here is what you saw on the left side of the rear barrel lug.  Can it be a reproof done in May 1969? JC
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I have had so much fun with this gun that I'm tempted not to sell it... I am beginning to learn a lot and after handling the gun for a while and seeing its craftsmanship I may keep it. I gave $525 plus 7% tax for it so it is not a huge investment but I would rather have the $$ for an American classic. I'm sure everyone has said this but there just doesn't seem to be enough money for everything.
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JayCee:
Thanks for the info.
Geno:
I thought the same thing and after several a$$ chewings from Mr. Cate and reading and re-reading Sauer catalogues, there had to be some desingation for craftsmanship above and beyond the normal as well as something to denote shooting performance. If I'm not mistaken, during the pre-WWI period examples are seen with 2 crowns, and others with one or the other. If there is an example with the Crown, or Crowns, with the word "Prussia", it might make a better case.
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Raimey
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Raimey, here is what you saw on the left side of the rear barrel lug. Can it be a reproof done in May 1969? JC JayCee: That's the stamp that notes top of the line 1st quality East German product. All products considered top of the line wore that stamp. I think some had "DDR" under them. Why it's 569(5/1969??), I don't know. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Geno:
I just scanned thru my notes and Sauer #186309 has a small crown on the left barrel flat and the word "Prussia" on the right flat. Sauer #197634 only has a large crown. And I think it was Sauer #146331 that had only a single large crown. Also Sauer DR #131857 has a small detailed crown on the lower right flat. From the examples I've seen, it appears that the both crowns are seen more on scatterguns and drillings that double rifles. And there may exist a double rifle, or single rifle, with both crowns which might point in a different direction. Double rifle drilling #174491 has a large crown on the flat of the scattergun tube.
The stamps of the series of multiple(sets of 2, 3 & 4) "caveman" with a "staff" denoted something?
Also I have in my notes that in 1875 Krupp applied for or acquired the "3 Ring" trademark. Anyone substaniate that?
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Raimey
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Raimey,
Thank you for the information.
Best Wishes for a Happy and Prosperous 2010 with lots of New Guns and Great Hunts!
JC
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JayCee:
Happy New Year to you and yours and hopefully we can meet over a Pisco sour.
One more question: What is that Moire pattern on the right flat against the extractor rod near the tube & lower rib? I have a very similar BuHaG with Simson tubes(although they were long gone) and August Schuler frame and I've seen that frame with the doughnut hole in the center on Sauers, Schulers, Simson's etc. Apparently there was only one frame source post WWII, or many were left-over.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Kind Regards,
Raimey
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